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• After which a Motion was made by some of the Mem. Anno g. Goo. Al. bers concerned in the drawing up of the Bill, to fill up the

1736. Blank with the Sum of 70,000l. that Sum, as they said, being the Medium of what had been annually applied of the aforesaid Duties, towards the Civil Lift, from his Majesty's happy Accession to the Throne, to Midsummer last past : Whereupon the Members who opposed the former Clause declared, that they were likewise against this whole Clause, and that they would afterwards take the Liberty to give their Reasons ; but as it was necessary in Point of Form, to fill up the Blank before any Thing could be faid either for or against the Clause, therefore they would propose that the Blank should be filled up with the Sum of 43,000 l. which being the leffer Sum, the Question was of Course to be first put for filling up the Blank with this lefser Sum, and as this was opposed by the Gentlemen who had proposed the Sum of 70,000 l. it brought on a long Debate, in which the chief Arguments in Favour of the lefler Sum were as follows :

Sir, • I am of Opinion that the Civil List cannot be any Loser Argument for by diminishing the Consumption of fpirituous Liquors, be Brinting 13.000 caule, whatever may be thereby lost to the Civil List, will pole. be much more than made good by the Increase of the Con. umption of other Liquors, of the Duties upon which the Civil Litt has a much larger Share than it has of those Du. ies payable upon spirituous Liquors ; therefore whatever um this Blank may be filled up with, I must look upon very Shilling of it, not as a Compensation, but as a new Addition to the Civil Lift Revenue, and since I do not think hat the Crown has Occasion for any new Addition to that levenue, I must look upon this whole Sum as a real Loss

the People : I must look upon the Whole, Sir, as a Sort f Purchase Money we are to pay for the Bill now before $; and since we must pay a Price for preserving the Health d Morals of the People, surely if we are good Merchants, we are honest Trustees for the People, we should endeasur to bring down that Price as much as we can. But fup fing, Sir, that the Loss the Civil List may sustain by dinishing the Consumption of spirituous Liquors, were not

be made good by the Increase which that Diminution Il naturally produce in some of the other Branches of at Revenue ; the yearly Sum to be given to the Civil List Lieu of that Loss, ought not to be calculated from a Me-' im of eight Years after his Majesty's happy Acceffion the Throne, but from a Medium of eight Years imdiately preceding his Majesty's happy Accession to the irone ; for when the Parliament, which established the

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Anne 9. Gco. Il. present Civil Lift, were considering what Duties wouldbe 1736. fufficient for raising that Revenue, which they thought

was necessary for supporting his Majesty's Houshold and Fa-
mily, they could not bave under their confideration the
Produce of those Duties in time to come ; and much less
could they have under their consideration an Increase which
might arise by an Abuse, so as to put it out of the Power
of Parliament to rectify that Abuse, without making good
to the Civil Lift the increased Revenue it had acquired by
that Abuse : They could have nothing under their Confide-
ration but the Produce of those Duties for Years past, and
for this Reafon the Clause, now before us, ought to have
been drawn up in a quite different Manner from what it
is ; or at least it ought to have been left to the Committee
to determine, whether they would take the eight years be-
fore, or the eight Years after his Majesty's Accession ; in
which Case it ought to bave been in these Terms : ' And
• whereas by a Medium of Years computed from
to the

the Sum of is taken to • be the Medium of the annual Produce of that part of the • Duties aforesaid, appropriated to the Service of his Ma.

jefty's Houfhold and Family.' "This, Sir, was, in my Opinion, the only proper and regular Method in which this Clause could have been brought in : If it had been brought in according to this Method, the Committee, where only it is proper to determine such Things, would have been left at full Liberty to chuse the Medium of any Number of Years after, or the Medium of any Number of Years before his Majesty's Acceffion ; and if we had chose the Medium of eight Years before his Majesty's Accession, which we certainly ought to have done, the Medium would not have amounted to the Sum now under our Consideration ; because the Abuse with respect to the Consumption of home-made Spirits was not near so great in the eight years preceding his Majesty's Ac. ceffion, as it has been in the eight years since ; and every one knows how greatly the Produce of the Duties upon foreign Spirits increased after that miraculous Tide which opened the Port of Dunkirk, and which brought in upon us an Inundation of French Brandies under the Name of Flemish ; infomuch that in the Year 1723, which was the Year after that prodigious Tide, and but two Years after a very remarkable Change in our Administration, the Duties on foreign Brandies and Spirits amounted to above 70,000 l. whereas in the Year 1721, they did not amount to 25,000 l. and we likewise know, that, since his Majesty's Accellion, this Inundation has rather increased than diminished.

" But again, Sir, fupposing we were to take this Matte: in the best Light we can for the Crown, and in the worst Anno 9. Geo. II. Light for the People : Suppofing thatwe ought to calculate

1736. the Lofs which the Civil Lift may sustain, by diminishing the Consumption of spirituous Liquors, from a Medium of eight Years to be computed from the Time of his Majesty's happy Accession to the Throne to Midsummer last ; yet surely the extraordinary Increase that happened in the Duties upon foreign Brandies and Spirits in the Year 1733, ought not to be brought into that Calculation ; for in that Year, we may remember we reassumed our Desire to encourage our own Ditillery, and for that Reason French Brandies being wanted, as was pretended, to mix up with and rectify our own Spirits, as well as for the Love and Efteem we bore the French, a Law was passed, for lowering the Duties upon French Brandies, and for making all foreign Brandies pay in equal Duty with them : This of course gave the Alarm o our old Friends at Dunkirk, who foresaw that they could 10 longer import French Brandies upon us under the Name of Flemish, and therefore, before that Act took place, they vrought in such large Quantities of Brandy, that the Duties n foreign Brandies and Spirits, for that Year only amounted o near 318,000 l. which was near 200,000 l. more than ras usual in any one Year ; yet this extraordinary and caial Produce seems now intended to be brought in, for

magifying the Loss which the Civil List may sustain by dimiishing the Consumption of spirituous Liquors, and for inreasing the Sum, with which the People are to be loaded ir making good that pretended Lofs. I say pretended Lofs, ir, because I am convinced the whole will appear to be fo, id therefore I am now for filling up the Blank with the wallett Sum I have here proposed; but when the Question mes to be put upon the Clause in general, I shall give my egative to the Whole, and for that Reason I shall give yfelf very little Concern about the Sum with which it is w to be filled up.' To this it was answered as follows, viz.

Sir. * I shall not take up your Time with endeavouring to Argument for w, that the Loss which the Crown may fustain, by lessen 20:00!

the Consumption of fpirituous Liquors, cannot be made od by the Increase that must thereby be occafioned in the nfumption of other Liquors ; because I do not take it to the Question now before us : It is evident from the Acints upon our Table, that his Majesty's Share of the Du.

upon fpirituous Liquors has for these eight years laft : amounted yearly to about 70,000 l. one Year with ance s, therefore if the whole of these Duties be for the fuappropriated and made payable to the Aggregate Fund,

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Anno 2. GEO. II. it is evident, and I think admitted on both sides, that his 1736.

Majesty will by such Appropriations lofe a yearly Revenue of 70,000 l. which he has enjoyed ever since his happy Accesfion to the Throne ; and that that Loss ought to be made good to his Majesty is a Question that seems to me to have been already determined by this House, when we agreed to those Resolutions upon which this Bill was founded: Therefore the only Question now before us, is, to determine how much his Majetty will really lose, in order that the same may be for the future made good to his Majesty, out of that Fund to which we have already appropriated those Duties, which formerly belonged to his Majesty's Civil Lift. This, in my Opinion, is no more than doing that Justice to his Majesty, which every man in a private Capa. picity would in such a Case most reasonably expect from another : If I surrender a Part of my Estate to my Neighbour for his Conveniency, it is but reasonable he should make good to me the Damage I may sustain by fuch Surrender. Whether the Loss his Majesty will most certainly sustain, by taking from him those Duties which formerly belonged to him, may be made good by the Increase of some of the other Duties appropriated to the Civil Lift, is a Question of a different Nature : I am certain it cannot now be determined whether there be any such Increase or not; and if any such Increase should hereafter appear, then it will be Time enough to determine how that Increase ought to be disposed of.

Now, Sir, with Respect to the Loss his Majesty may sustain, and the Method by which the Quantum of that Loss is to be determined, it seems a little odd to me, that, in order to put a Value upon a Loss which his Majefty muft sustain, by taking from him a Revenue which he has enjoyed, Gentlemen should propose to put a Value upon that Loss, by computing the Produce of a Revenue which his Majesty never enjoyed : This Method of Computation appears to me so very extraordinary, that I think I need only put it in its true Light, in order to sew that it is a Me. thod we ought not to take. But it is said that when the Pasliament, which established the present Civil Lift Revenue, were considering what Duties would be sufficient for raising the Revenue, which they thought was necessary for supporting his Majesty's Houshold and Family, they could not have under their Confideration the Produce of those Duties in Time to come. In this, Sir, I happen to be of a very different Opinion ; for as they were considering what Duties would be sufficient to raise a fucure Revenue, I think they could consider only a future Produce'; and the Method in which that Revenue was established thews, that they had

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under their View only the future Produce of those Duties, Anno 9. Geo. 11. which they appropriated to the raising of that Revenue :

1736. They considered that 800,000 l. a Year was the least that was necessary for supporting his Majesty's Houshold and Family, and the Honour and Dignity of the Crown of Great Britain ; and therefore, if the future Produce of those Duties, which were then appropriated towards raising that Sum yearly, should fall short, they obliged themselves to make it good : The yearly Sum of 800,oool. I say, they reckoned the least that was necessary for the Purposes intended ; but then they considered, that even a large Sum might be beneficially applied to the fame Purposes, and therefore, in Case the future Produce of those Duties should amount to more than 800,000 l. a Year, those Surplusses by them were likewise appropriated to the Civil Lift, and his Majesty has as good a Right to those Surplusses, if any has arisen, or should arise, as he has to any Part of the 800,000l. a Year.

From this Confideration, Sir, every Gentleman must fee, that, if by any new Regulation we diminish the Produce of any of those Duties appropriated to the Civil List, we are in Justice to his Majelty obliged to make good the Loss which the Civil List may thereby sustain ; for I hope the Parliament of Great Britain will never act so childish a Part as to make a Grant in one Year, and to take back that Grant, or any Part of that Grant in the next : We may be obliged, for the Sake of the publick Good, to make some Alterations in the Grants we have made, or may hereafter make ; but it is to be hoped we never shall make any such Alterations without the Consent of all those interested therein, or without making good the Loss they may sustain. The Grant of the Civil List, as it now stands established, I must look upon in the same way as if one Gentleman, for Favour and Affection, or some other Confideration, should make a Grant or a Present to another of a Ticket in the present Lottery with this Condition, that if it came up a Blank, he would give him 51. in Lien thereof, but if it came up a large Prize, the Whole should belong to the Grantee. Now if, af such .a Grant made in the most folemn Manner, the Ticket should come up a large Prize, I should think the Granter both very

childish and very unjust, if he insisted upon having any Share in that Prize, or upon taking any part of it from the Grantee, without giving him an adequate Confideration. We are not now to inquire whether the Duties granted to the Civil List produce more than 800,000 l. a Year, or not ; but if they do really produce more, that Surplus is a Sort of Prize we have already granted to his Majesty, and we peither can nor ought to take any Part of that Surplus froin him, or

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