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Jealousy to either Side, unless one or the other have Views, Anno 8. Geo. II. which they know to be inconsistent with the Preservation of the Balance of Power in Europe.

• I find, Sir, fome Gentlemen have got into a very odd way of talking, when they have Occasion to mention the publick Expence ; for if it the least exceeds a Million it is to be called two, if it exceeds two it is to be called three : and because it may probably this Year a little exceed three Millons, therefore it is to be called four : So that a Million with these Gentlemen seems to be of very little Confideration ; yet when we talk of English Money, I cannot but think that a Million, or near a Million, is a Sum not to be despised, and one in four is surely a material Difference. What the publick Expence was, during the War in King William's Reign, or what the Number of Seamen was that was kept up daring the late War, I shall not now inquire ; I believe both were as the honourable Gentleman has been pleased to represent, but I think neither material at present; for we are not to proportion our yearly Expence, or our Number of Seamen, by past Times, but by present Necefsities. When our Neighbours increase their publick Expence, or their Numbers either of Seamen or Land-Soldiers, we must increase ours, otherwise we may happen to fall a Sacrifice to our Frugality : And as both France and Spain, but especially the latter, have very much encreased their Naval Force since last War, if we should be obliged to engage against those two Powers, which I hope will not be the Case, it is certain we should be forced to maintain a greater Number of Seamen, than we had at any Time during the ate War; and the sooner we begin to provide, the less Harm hall we do our Merchants, the less Stagnation shall we make in our Trade.

• This, Sir, naturally leads me to take Notice of the Damage done to our Trade, by the fitting out a Squadron aft Summer. I shall allow, that our Merchants thereby offered some Inconvenience, and were put to greater Charge han usual for the Freight of Ships and Wages of Seamen : But when the Whole is in Danger, the private Interest of particular Persons must yield to it ; and the Stop that was ut to our Trade last Summer, is, in my opinion, the strongIt Argument that can be thought of for the Augmentation ow proposed, and for our laying it down as a Maxim, alrays to begin early to fit out Squadrons, as soon as the Danger of War begins to appear : For if we should never hink of any Augmentation of Seamen 'till we come upn the very Brink of a War, we must take or press 30 or erhaps 40,000 Seamen all at once into the Service of the 'ublick: And if the raising of 12 or 15,000 Seamen last



Anno 8. Geo. 11, Summer put such a Damp to our Trade, surely the raising

of 30 or 40,000 all at once would put an entire Stop to
it: Whereas if we begin early, and raile our Seamen by De-
grees, fresh Men encouraged by high Wages, will be daily
entring into the Merchants Service ; those that enter this Year
will be Seamen against the next, and thus every Year will af-
ford a new Fleece for the Navy, so that in a little Time we
may have our Navy fully provided, even for the moft heavy
War, without putting at any Time any great Stop to our
- As for the Dutch, Sir, I do not think it necessary to
enter into a Disquisition about what they have done, what
they ought to do, or what Number of Land-Forces may
be necessary for the Safety of that Republick ? For tho
they are our natural Allies, yet surely we are not in every
Thing to be directed altogether by their Conduct: We are a
distinct Nation, and tho' our Interests be generally the same,
yet in some particular, Cases they may happen to be dif-
ferent ; and when it so happens, we must certainly follow
different Measures. The Dutch are, 'tis true, a wise People,
but, as wise as they are, they may perhaps neglect or
mistake their own Interest, as well as the general Interest of
Europe ; and if they do fo, muft we necessarily do the same?
I hope no such Thing will be pretended ; for in such a
Case we should become in some manner a Province to Hol-
land, we should become a meer Cypher in all publick Trans-
actions, and should be no way regarded by any of the Pow-
ers of Europe ; for if they could but secure the Dutch, they
might always depend upon getting us into the fame Mea.
fure ; and when the Dutch found we had such a thorough
Dependence upon them, as good Allies as they are, they
might perhaps, now and then, make use of it in a way
which would no way contribute either to our Interest or

Permit me now, Sir, to take some Notice of the Re. Rections that have been thrown out upon our late Negotiations and Treaties. As for the Treaties of Hanover and Seville, we had certainly very good Reasons to enter into them at the Time they were negotiated and concluded : And as they were approved of by both Houses of Parliament, I think I have no Obligation to say any Thing in favour of either ; for the Approbation ofa British Parliament I take to a more authentick Proof of their Utility, than any thing that can be said by a private Gentleman in their commendation; and all the objections to them have been already lo often answered, that 'tis needless to repeat them : But when Gentlemen give us such a terrible View of the Consequences, that inay eniue in Case the preferit Emperor should hap



peo to die before the Affairs of Germany are fully settled, Anno 8. Geo. II. I am surprised to hear them find Fault with the late Treaty of Vienna, which was concluded for no other End but to prevent that fatal Catastrophe : Fatal it would certainly be to the Affairs of Europe in general ; and therefore I must think we had the strongest Inducement to enter into the Guaranty of the Pragmatick Sanction, in the most unlimited Manner, as being the only Expedient by which that fatal Catatrophe may be prevented. What Reasons the Dutch might have for their Backwardness or Caution about entering into that Treaty, I do not know ; but if I were to judge of their Wisdom from their Behaviour in that Respect, I cannot say I should have the best Opinion of it.

• With regard to the Attack made upon the Emperor in Italy, by the Spaniards and the King of Sardinia, it is i certain, that this Nation has neither given them any En

couragement nor any Provocation to do so ; and whether the Imperial Court has given them any just Provocation, is an Affair, which the Mediators must of course inquire into, when they come to offer a Plan for a Pacification. As tó the Affair of Poland, where the honourable Gentleman had his Information, with respect to what he has been pleased to relate to us about that Affair, I shall not pretend to guess; but I must believe, that his Majesty knows nothing about any such Answers having ever been given to the French, or about any such Instructions having been sent to his Minifters in Poland : This I must believe from what his Majesty told us in his Speech, at the Opening of last Session of Parliament ; and if there ever was any luch Thing, I am very sure that I am not to answer for all the Measurcs that have been lately pursued, for that is one Article I know nothing of.

To conclude, Sir, the Nation has already been put to a great Expence, and must be yet put to a farther Expence on account of the present War ; perhaps too some private Men may have been exposed to some Inconveniencies, by the Preparations we have already made ; but these Expences and these Inconveniencies ought to be born with Patience, when we consider the Difference between our Situation and that of fome of our Neighbours: I believe I may justly compute, that by the bloody and obftinate Battles, Sieges and Skirmithes, which have already happened fince this War first broke dat, each of the Parties engaged has loft at least 50,000 Men; so that while the Trade of our Neighbours is inter. rupted, while a Stop has been put to all sorts of Manufactares and Improvements among them, while their Lands are laid waste, such Nultitudes of their Men destroyed, we have carried on our Trade with Security ; our Manufactures have



Mr Sandys's Mo. tion for an Address Luthe King, for 21. Account of the Lxpctices incar'd

to the

Debate thereori

Anno 8. Geo. 11. been improved, and extraordinary Quantities of our Corn

exported; no British Farmer has been disturbed, not ant Acre of Land laid waste, not a Drop of British Blood spilt : Therefore, while we enjoy so much Safety and Quiet, I can't think any Man has Reason to complain of the Charge the Nation has been put to, or of the few Inconveniencies he has suffered, for the Preservation of that Safety and Quiet which he has cnjoyed : And as I am fully satisfied, that what is now propoled is absolutely necessary, for secur. ing our future Enjoyment of the same Safety and Quiet, I

shall most heartily give my Consent.' 2.000 Men voted Then the Question being put, That 20,000 Men be emto: the Year 1735. ploy'd for the Sea-Service for the Year 1735 it passed in

the Negative by 256 to 183. After which it was resolvid, without dividing, that 30,000 Seamen be employ'd for the faid Service.

Feb. 13. Mr Sandys moved, “That an humble Address be presented to his Majetly, that he would give Directions

proper Officer to lay before the House an Account of un conte quence of the Expences incurred, in Consequence of the Vote of Crepals'd lait Setion. dit passed at the End of last Sellion of Parliament.'

But this Motion was oppos'd by Mr Horatio Walpole, Mr Waco.c. Mr Henry Pelham, Sir William Yonge, Col. Bladen, Mr

Winnington, and Mr Danvers, who alledg’d, “That the Stigton. House had then before them what was propos’d to be de

fir'd by the Address noved for ; for in one Account they had the whole of the Expences that had been incurred by any Addition made to the Sea-Service, in Consequence of that Vote of Credit ; in another they had an Account of the whole Expences that had been incurred by any Addition made to the Land-Service ; and in a third they had an Account of what had been incurred on occasion of the Treaty lately concluded with Denmark : Besides all which, they had an Account of what Monies had been issued from the Treafury, for all or cither of these Services in Pursuance of a Clause in an Act of Parliament, pass’d last Session, for enabling his Majesty to apply any part of the Money granted for the Service of last year, towards the Expence of making such Augmentations of his Forees by Sea or Land, or of concerting fuch other Measures as he should judge neceffary for the Safety of this Nation : That from these Accounts any Man might eafily see what Expences had been incurred, in consequence of that Vote of Credit ; for that as to the Sea-Service, whatever appeared from that Account to have been incurred, over and above what was granted by laft Parlia. ment, for maintaining the 20,000 Seamen then voted for 1.ft Year's Service, in ust appear to be an additional Expence, incurred is consequer ce of that Vote of Credit; And as to the


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Land-Service; whatever appeared from the Account then be- Anno 8. Gco. II. fore them, relating to that Service, to have been incurred over and above what was granted by last Parliament, for the 17,704 Land-Forces then voted to be kept up in Great Britain, Guernsey and Jersey, for latt Year, must be an additional Expence incurred, in consequence of that Vote of Credit ; And as to what had been incurred on Occasion of

the late Treaty with Denmark, it was certain the whole i was to be placed to the Account of Expences incurred, in

consequence of that Confidence; which was so reasonably vested in his Majesty in the last Session of Parliament. So that hey could not possibly expect any farther or new Accounts by the Address proposed; and the presenting of such an Address would, in their opinion, shew a want of Respect to his Majesty, and a sort of Jealousy and Diffidence in what he had already ordered to be laid before them.'

Hereupon Mr Sandys proposed an Amendment to his Mo- Mr Sandys. tion, by adding thereto the following Words, viz. Over and above tboje, of which Accounts had

already been laid before the House ; and was supported by Mr Pulteney and Sir Wil- Mr Pu!teney, liam Wyndham : But the Members who opposed the Motion Sir W.Wyndhami as first proposed by Mr Sandys, objected likewise to the Amendment offered. • That it was not to be supposed that any Mr Walpole. other Expences had been incurred, than those contained in Mr Pelham. the Accounts then before them : That they could affure Gentlemen, that no Money had been issued from the Mr Winnington. Treasury, by Virtue of the Clause they had mentioned, but Mr Danvers. what was stated in the Accounts already laid before the House ; nor had any Expences been incurred but what were contained in the three Accounts relating to the SeaService, the Land-Service, and the late Treaty with Denmark : That the presenting of such an Address was really in some manner provoking the Crown to make farther Demands upon them : And that if what was then proposed fhould come to be a Precedent, it would become necessary for the Crown to add a Certificate to every Account to be given in hereafter to Parliament, certifying, That these are all the Expences that have been incurred, or some such Words to that Purpose, which they thought would look a little absurd : That therefore they could not agree to the Amendment, but when it was disagreed to, as they hoped it would, they would propose that the following Words Mould be added, by way of Amendment to the Motion, viz. Norwitblanding that full Accounts of all Expences, that had beos incurred, bad been already laid before that House: That this was the most natural Amendment that could be made to the Motion, because, by the Addition of these Words, it would appear in its proper and true Light, and in that Vol. IV.


Sir W, Yonge.
Col. Bladen.

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