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tice, and the true Interest of his people should call upon Anno 8. Geo. 11. him to undertake.'

Mr Harris being back'd by Mr Campbell of Pembroke- Debate thereon. hire, several Members objected to some Expressions in the

Mr Campbell. Motion, which, as they thought, imply'd a too general Ipprobation of former Measures : And upon this Occasion ir William Wyndham propos’d, That the last Paragraph Sir W. Wyndham, hould run thus, • To assure his Majesty that, after a full tate of the Affairs of the Nation had been laid before bem, and confider'd by them, they would chearfully and ffectually raise such Supplies, as should be necessary for the Ionour and Security of his Majesty and his Kingdoms, nd in Proportion to the Expences to be incurred by the other owers, who were under the same Engagements with this 'ation, and not then involved in the War: And whatever ould be the Success of his Majesty's gracious Endeavours

procure the Blessings of Peace and general Tranquility, ould enable his Majesty to act that Part, which Honour d Justice, and the true Interest of his People should call pon him to undertake.'

But some Gentlemen disliking the first Part of this Amend-
ent, Sir Joseph Jekyll offer'd an Amendment to the A. Sir 3. Jekyll.
endment propos'd by Sir William Wyndham, as follows:
To affure his Majesty, that that House would chearfully
d effectually raise fuch Supplies, as should be necessary

the Honour and Security of his Majesty and his Kingms, and in Proportion to the Expences to be incurred by 2 other Powers,. who were under the same Engagements ith this Nation, and not then involv'd in the War: And, atever should be the Success of his Majesty's gracious deavours to procure the Blessings of Peace and general ranquility, would enable his Majesty to act that Part, nich Honour and Justice, and the true Interest of his ple should call upon him to undertake.' The Motion for the Amendment was ftrenuously supportby Lord Morpeth, Lord Noel Somerset, Mr Shippen, La Noel Somerset. Thomas Afton, Mr Dundass, Mr Gibbon, Mr Sandys, Sir Thoppafton. Walter Plumer, and Mr William Pulteney: The Rea- Mr Dundass. s they gave for their Exceptions to the Address as first Mr Sandys. pos'd, and for the Amendment offer’d, were as follows : Ms W. Pulteney.

Mr Speaker, As this is a new Parliament, I hope we shall begin with ving a little more Regard to the ancient Custom and nity of Parliaments, than has been hewn of late Years. former Times, the Addresses of this House, in Return to

Majetty's Speech from the Throne, were always conred in the most general Terms. Our Ancestors would er condescend upon that Occasion, to enter into the

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Anno 8. Geo. 11. Particulars of his Majesty's Speech : When they were to

approach the King, and to declare their Affection and their Fidelity to him, they thought it was inconsistent with that Fidelity they were to declare, to approve, upon that Occafion, of any minifterial Measures, and much more so, to declare their Satisfaction with Measures they knew nothing about. This House is the grand Inquest of the Nation, appointed to inquire diligently, and to represent faithfully to the King, all the Grievances of his people, and all the Crimes and Mismanagements of his Servants ; and therefore it muft always be a Breach of our Fidelity to our Sovereign, as well as a Breach of our Duty to his People, to approve blindly the Conduct of his Servants. When we have examined diligently, and confidered deliberately the Conduct of any Minilier, and are at last fully convinced that he has acted prudently and wisely for the publick Good, it is then our Duty to return him the Thanks of the Publick, and to represent him as a faithful Minister to his Master ; but to make Panegyricks upon the Conduct of any of the King's Servants, before we have examined into it, is more like the Language of Slaves and Sycophants to a prime Minister, than that of loyal and faithful Subjects to their Sovereign.

I must acknowledge, Sir, that the Motion now made to us is more general, and more adapted to the ancient Custom of Parliament, than most I have heard since I have had the Honour to be a Member of this House. I hope we shall not find that this extraordinary Modesty proceeds from a Consciousness of Misconduct : For the sake of the Publick I heartily wilh we may find that it proceeds from fuperior Merit; which is, indeed, generally attended with superior Modesty ; but as I have always been, upon such Occasions, against general Encomiums upon Ministers, and as the Proposition now before us, or at least a great Part of it, implies a general Approbation of all our late Measures, particularly those relating to the present War, which the Majority of this House are, in my opinion, intirely ig norant of, I cannot agree to it ; because I have not yet learned Complaisance enough to approve of what I know nothing about, much less to approve of what I violently fufpect to be wrong.

I had the Honour, Sir, to be a Member of this House in the last Parliament ; and I remember several Motions were then made, for getting fome Insight into the State of our foreign Affairs and our late Tranfaâions ; Motions which

pored to me highly reafunable, and even absolutely neCurry to be complied with, before the House could reasonanly comply with the Demands that were then made upo a

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them : But every one of these Motions had a Negative put Anno 8. Geo, II. upon it. I have always had a Suspicion of the Works of "Darkness ; I do not like any Conduct that cannot stand the Light at Noon-Day ; and therefore I am afraid some of our late Transactions are such as no Man could approve of, if they were exposed to publick View. We have been long amused with Hopes of some extraordinary Benefits, that were to accrue to the Nation from our many tedious and expenfive Negotiations : We have been long in Expectation ; but when one Negotiation was over, we have been always told to have Patience, the next was to accomplish all our Defires ; we have accordingly had a great deal of Patience ; but, so far as I can comprehend, I can observe no Benefits that have accrued, or are like to accrue ; but, on the contrary, many Dangers and Disadvantages ; So that the whole Train of our late Negotiations really seem to me to have been calculated for no other End, but to extricate a Set of puzzled, perplexed Negotiators, from some former Blunder, by which they have generally been led into a second, of worse Consequence than the first: Every subsequent Negotiation seems to me to have had no other View or Defign, but to get rid of some Dilemma we were thrown into by the former ; and happy have we thought ourselves, after a great deal of Money spent, if we could but recover our former Condition. In short, Sir, if any Gentleman will rise up and shew me any Addition, or any new Advantage, with respect either to our Trade or our Possessions, that this Nacion has acquired by any of our late Transactions, I fhall agree to the Motion ; but considering the great Expence this Nation has been put to, and the great Losses many of our Merchants have, without any Redress or Satisfaction, fustained, I cannot agree to pass Compliments upon, or declare ny Satisfaction with, our late Management in general, 'till

be made appear to me, that these publick and, private Losses have been some Way ballanced by National Advanerges.

• The second Paragraph of the Motion I am, indeed, surrized at upon another Account, to make our Acknowedgements to his Majesty, for not involving the Nation

o precipitately in a bloody War, is, in my opinion, very ir from being a Compliment to his Majesty ; It is impor-ble, it is not to be presumed that his Majelly can do any Ich Thing ; but if it were possible, and if any such thing ad been done, to be sure it would have been doing the Naon a very notable Mischief; and according to the Idiom of ar Language, at least in private Life, to thank a Man, or

make our Acknowledgements to a Man, for his not dog us a notable Mischief, is a contemptuous way of expref

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ed some notable Mischief ; and therefore when we are difappointed, when the Mischief is not so great as we expected, we say, by way of Contempt, that we are obliged to him. If none but Ministers were concerned in this Part of the Motion, I should have let it pass without any Remark, nay, I should readily have agreed to it; but as his Majesty is concerned, I hope the Gentlemen who made the Motion will take Care to have it some way altered, if they are resolved to have it stand Part of the Address. This Thews, Sir, how apt People are to fall into Blunders, when they attempt to make extravagant and forced Compliments ; and therefore I with we would resolve to avoid such Dangers, by confining our Address to a general Acknowledgement of Thanks to his Majesty, for his most gracious Speech from the Throne, and a Declaration of our Affections towards him, of our Attachment to his Family, and our Zeal for his Service.

• However, Sir, as it has been granted upon all Hands, that nothing contained in our Address can prevent the future Inquiries of this House, or can be a Bar to our censuring what we shall upon Inquiry find to be amiss, therefore I shall propose no Amendment to the former Part of the Motion : But I must take Notice of one Thing which is apparent, without any Inquiry, to every Man in this House, to every Man who knows any thing of publick Affairs ; and that is, the great Charge this Nation has already been put to on account of the War, while the other Powers of Europe, not yet engaged in the War, have not put themselves to one Shilling Expence : Nay, even our Allies the Dutch, who, as his Majesty has been pleased to tell us, are under the same Engagements with us, have not put themselves to the least Charge on account of the present War. Now, Sir, as his Majesty has told us, that we had no Concern with the Causes or Motives of the War, we cannot therefore be involved in it, unless it be for the Prefervation of the Balance of Power ; and as all our Allies are as much interested in this Respect as we are, it is reafonable they thould bear their proportionable Share of the Expence : And as they have yet done nothing like it, I think it is become necessary for us to take some Notice of this Matter in our Address to his Majesty, for which Rea. son I shall move for this Amendment to the latter Part of the Address : viz. • That this House will chearfully and effectually raise fuch Supplies, as shall be neceffary for the Honour and Security of his Majesty and his Kingdoms ; And in Proportion to sbe Expences to be incurred by the other

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Mr Danvers.

Powers quho were under the fame Engagements with this anno 8. Geo. II. Nation, and not then involved in the War ; And whatever shall be the Success of his Majesty's gracious Endeavours to procure the Beslings of Peace and general Tranquility, will enable his Majesty to act that Part, which Honour and Justice, and the true Interest of his People shall call upon him to undertake.'

In Answer to these Objections, and in Support of the Motion, Mr Winnington, Mr Henry Pelham, Sir William Mr Winnington, Yonge, Mr Danvers and Mr Oglethorpe urged the follow- Sir W. Yonge. ing Arguments.

Mr Ozlethorpe. Mr Speaker,

As Gentlemen, who have spoke in this Debate, seem to want a much more thorough Reformation in the Motion now before us, than that proposed by the Amendment, I must beg Leave to take Notice of what they have said in general,

before I come to speak to the Amendment proposed. We have been told a great deal, Sir, of the ancient Usage and Custom of Parliament, with respect to their Manner of addressing the King, by way of Return to his Speech from the Throne : What the Gentlemen may mean by this ancient Usage, or at what Time they have a Mind to fix it, I do not know ; but I am very fure, that ever since I had the Honour to fit in Parliament, I never knew an Address proposed in more general Terms than that now before us ; and therefore I am apt to conclude, that no Address can be proposed in this Houle, but what some Gentlemen will find Fault with. I fall agree with the honourable Gentlemen, that one of the chief Ends of our Meeting here, is to inquire diligently, and represent faithfully to the King, the Crimes and Mismanagements of his Servants, as well as the Grievantes of his People ; but when his Majesty has given us an Account of his Conduct, surely that does not hinder us from making him such general Compliments, for the Accounts he has been pleased to give us, as will not obstruct our future Inquiries, or prevent our Cenfures, in case we Thould afterwards find, that any of his Servants had acted unfaithfully or imprudently, even with respect to those very Affairs he had been pleased to give us an Account of in his Speech.

• It has been acknowledged, that the Motion before us is more general than what is usual upon such Occasions ; but it is to be feared, it seems, that this extraordinary Modesty proceeds from a Consciousness of Misconduct. At this Rate, Sir, the Gentlemen who have the Honour to serve the Crown must have a very hard Task: If they or their Friends propose a long and particular Address, they are then accused of endeavouring to impose upon the Honour and VOL. IV.

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