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Anno 8. Gco. 11.
· The Pretext made use of is, that we and the Dutch are to be Mediators between the contending Powers of Europe, and that unarmed Mediators cannot effectually mediate ; yet the Dutch are to be unarm'd, not only by Sea, but are to add nothing to their Land-Forces, as was but now acknowledg’d: Tho' the other Day we were told, That as we should increase our Fleet, the Sea being our natural Barrier ; so would the Dutch augment their Troops, their Barrier being by Land. But now we see that our Neighbours are to share with us the Honour and Advantage of Mediating, and we are to bear all the Burden : Yet it seems neither they nor we are indeed to be Mediators ; for his Majesty's Speech says only, that his good Offices, and the good Offices of the States General
, had been accepted of; and as some Gentlemen had openly in the House deny'd that we were to be Mediators, they explain'd the accepting of these good Offices to be no more than barely to allow us to make Proposals to the Powers in War. And is this all the mighty Matter for which our domestick Army is to be augmented fo greatly? If a strong Army is neceffary for this purpose, the Augmentation is too little : But any Augmentation in our present Circumstances is not the Way to make us to be regarded by the Potentates at War. They know our. Cafe, that we are under vaft Debts, much whereof was contracted for no Purpose, or for bad Purposes : And to see us acting wisely and frugally, and to have Money and Credit as formerly, would give Britain the Weight it formerly had ; and they know that then we could railc Troops at Home, and hire Abroad : But they would never believe us noticeable for having 25,000 or 26,000 Men in our Army at Home, with not a Farthing in our Pockets. After all, it seems hard to be believed that it is in earnest said we are to be Mediators, or at all to interpose, or that we are any ways afraid of the Consequences of the present War in Europe : For some Years ago we were offer'd the Mediation, and then refus'd it ; no doubt to thew our Modesty, and that we were not so vain as to take on us to offer Laws to France, a Nation superior to Britain, and whom then we obsequiously courted. “And to say, we now dread the Progress of the Arms of the French and their Confederates, one muft be tempted to think but a Pretext : For so wise Men as adminifter the British Affairs did certainly foresee it, and can not be frighted at the Consequences of their own Actions ; fince all tow'd from the Introduction of Don Carlos into Italy, which was done by our own Fleet. I am, in my own private Opinion, so little persuaded of the Wisdom of that Expedition, that I hope the 30,000 Seamen, voted the other Day, are design d
for a better Purpose ; yet it is better to make an ible, tho'ex- Anno 8. Geo. 11. penfive Show of them at Spithead, than send them Abroad to do Mischief. And all this appears from our succeeding Conduet ; for it would be a high Reflection to suppose the Intelligence of our Ministry so bad, that they knew not of the Alliance when forming betwixt France, Spain and Sardinia, and they could not but see the Consequences of it. Yet they did nothing to stop that Treaty ; nor, when it was finish'd, to stop their powerful Armies from entering Italy, where they have had so great Success; and our Trade to which Country is now as precarious as our Trade to Spain : They likewise must have foreseen the Progrefs of the French Arms on the Rhine ; for who did not know, that the Emperor, having a great Army in Italy, was over-power'd by a greater ; and that France, in the German War, having nothing to apprehend from Italy or Spain, as in former Wars, could not but be an Over-match for the Emperor on the Rhine ? Therefore as all this has happen'd, having been forefeen and help'd on by our own Miniitry, the Fear said to arise from thence must be but an affected Pretence, as well as the Mediation which we had formerly refused, and now did not pretend was offer'd to us : Nay, if it was otherwise, yet this Augmentation of our Army is not the right way to make us confiderable in the Mediation, nor a good way to act for ourselves, fince we are not like to be attack'd this Year.
• I can't help taking Notice of what was said by the Gensleman who spoke last, [Mr Duncan Forbes) relating to the Use of Troops in Scotland. I am sorry that such Things hould be said of that Country, by a Gentleman whom I regard so much, and whose Worth and Learning I am not a Stranger to : I dare assert the Law, and the Execution of legal Process, in Scotland has free Course without the Assistance of Troops : I have heard of no remarkable Instance of the Interpofition of Troops in such Cases ; but when it was done illegally by those in Power and Office, to the Oppression of the subjects, and Overthrow of our Liberties, and contrary to Law; Instances of which I can give, and I hope will in due Time be adverted to, and meet with deserved Rebuke. There are more Instances of Mutiny and Tumult in England than in Scotland ; and more Running of Goods in a few Days on the Thames, than in all Scotland for a Year. (Here he related the Manner of drawing up the Reo giment in the Abbey-Clofe at the Election of the Sixteen Peers.) For my Part I know no Good the Army has done in Britain, but making Roads thro' the Mountains of the Scots Highlands, which was performed by a Handful.'
Colonel Handafyde took up Mr Erkine, as if what he Col. 11 had faid about the Regiment in the Abbey-Close had re.
of Mar's being concernd in the
Anno 8. Geo. 11. Alected on him, whose Regiment it was; and endeavour'd to 1734-35.
ñew that it was but an ordinary Meeting there, and that nothing could be meant by it, since the Regiment march'd from Town at Mr Dundass's Election : That he deserv'd Thanks, and not Blame, for his Conduct by the Gentlemen of that Country ; but that some wish'd there had been Mobs and Tumults, and from their Disappointment proceeded
their Complaints.' Mr Erskine. Mr Erskine rifing up to reply, Sir James Campbell stood Sir J. Campbell. up likewise, and endeavour'd to sew the Neceflity of Troops
in the Highlands ; Urging, “That they ought to be continued though the Highlanders were, at present, mostly well affected ; and gave for Instance the Advantage of having Troops in Scotland in the Year 1715, when the Rebellion was rais’d and carried on by the Earl of Mar, Brother to the honourable Member who had spoke last againit the Mo
tion.' Several Members, resenting this Expression as a ReSir James Campbell calidto o flection on Mr Erskine, callid out, To Order : Hereupon der er storting Mr Erskine stood up again, and said, " That when he last bparcount of this role up to speak, it could not be to answer the Member
who had now spoke, (Sir James Campbell for then he had Rebelion, anno faid nothing; and that he might for the iame Reason pats
by all that the worthy Gentleman had spoke fince.' Here Sir James Campbell got up again ; but the House would not allow him to interrupt : Then Mr Erkine went on, and said, • That the honourable Gentleman, who spoke before, (meaning Colonel Handaljde] could not, on the least Reflection, imas gine that any Thing said was meant against him, who he had never, that he knew of, seen in his Life till now; and that the Colonel was not then in Scotland, and therefore could not be blam'd for any Thing done by his Regiment : That he blam'd not even his Officers present, not doubting but they had Orders: That this was not the Time to argue that important Matter and Aagrant Encroachment on the Britith Liberties, which might come to be inquir'd into afterwards ; yet the Account he had given of it was juft, notwithstanding the Answer : That the Regiment had been muster'd, and in the Field but a Day or two before, and therefore the Meeting on that Day was not an ordinary one : That it could not be without a Design, and a bad one too : That on such a Day the three Companies at Leith were march'd to join those at Edinburgh, and kept altogether under Arms during the Election, and then march'd back to Leith : And that other Facts, equally or more gross, could in due Time and Season, be made appear to fhew that it was done on a bad Design: 'Ihat their marching from Edinburgh at the Elec. tion for the County, proves only they were not in the Wrong at that Time, tho' they were prodigiously wrong at tho
Election of the Peers : That the Accufation of wishing for Anno 8. Geo. 11. Mobs and Tumults was injurious, and as weak as unjuft: That if it was meant again't the Majority, what could they gain by it? And ftill lels could the Minority reap any Advantage
from it, except to put themselves in the Wrong, when they I had no Reason to hope they would meet with Pardon and 1
Indulgence : That Mutiny was the ftale Pretence of those, who wanted a Handle to oppress by superior Power : That by Mobbing, the Minority could only expect such Ruin to themselves, as had befallen his Kinsman by the Rebellion, which an honourable Member had, with so much Discretion and Justice, objected to him: That the Objection was fo entirely from the Purpose, he would pass it by unanswer'd, as well as the rest of what that honourable Gentleman had Said, did not the high Nature of it require him to speak to it : That he had suffer'd more by it than any Man, except his deceas'd Friend and Relation, who was at the Head of it: That his Principle and Conduct, with respect to the prefent Establishment, ever since he enter'd on the World and Business, had been uniform and firm in all-Times and Situations, as every Body knew, who knew him; and as the Objector and his friends had often acknowledg d : And if now his greateft Enemies could bring an Instance to the contrary, he consented to have it reckon'd that he had always been a Traitor : That, therefore, if the Occasion of flinging out this at him, and the Air with which it was done, had not look'd fo unfavourably, he muft, in Juftice to the Gentleman who spoke it, have thought he intended to do him Honour ; by Thewing his Loyalty to have been so unconquerable, that his nearest Relations, and with whom he had so great Connection, could not shake or diminish it.'
Mr Charles Areskine * stood up next, and said, “That Mr Cha. Areskine. the Abbey and Parliament Close were so far diftant, † that che Regiment drawn up in the former could not over-awe the Election at the latter.'
Then the Question being put on the Motion made by
Feb. 17. Mr Walter Plumer mov'd, That the Portmaster Mr Plumer's MoGeneral might lay before the House a Copy of the King's fore the Houke tac Warrant, whereby Letters were permitted to pass Poft-free.
for permitting Leto Feb. 19. The said Warrant was laid before the House.
Feb. 24. Several Resolutions of the Committee on the Sapply, having been agreed to by the House, Sir William Wyndham mov'd, That the Journal of the House of the VOL. IV.
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Anno 8. Geo. 11. 5th of December 1690, in the second Year of William and
Mary, in relation to the Report from the Committee, to whom the Confideration of the Estimates and Accounts relating to the Army, Navy and Treasury were referred, might be read; which was done accordingly. Then he mov'd for reading the Journal of November 9th, 1691, in the third Year of the fame Reign, in relation to appointing a Committee to inspect the Estimate of the Navy for the Year 1692, which having been also read, Sir William Wyndham ftood up again, and spoke as follows:
Mr Speaker, Sir W. Wyndhain's • When I reflect on the long Peace this Nation has enring the Eltimate of joy'd, I am surprised how small a Part of our publick Debts the Navy for the
has been paid off ; but when I consider the vast Sums that feka Committee. have been yearly raised, that the People have not been made
quite free of any one Tax which the preceeding War brought upon them, nor any Tax, except one only, in the leaft diminished ; I cannot comprehend how it was possible, in every Year of this long Term of Peace, to find Pretences for putting the Nation to such a vast Expence : And I maft think, If our Parliaments, for these twenty Years past, had followed the Example laid down in the Precedents now read to you, and had always appointed a select Committee, to examine the Estimates yearly laid before them, it would not have been posible to prevail with them to agree that such an Expence was necessary.
· This, Sir, I wish had been done by every Parliament since the Revolution ; and as this is the first Seffion of a new Parliament, I hope we shall begin to follow that Example which was thewn by the firit Parliament after the Revolution. I hope it will not be said, but that Parliament had as good Reason to put a Confidence in the Adminiftration as this Parliament has, or as any Parliament had since that Time ; and yet we find that Parliament, in their very first Session, pasting an Aa, and by Ballot appointing Commissioners, for taking and examining the Account of all publick Money, and resolving that no Person should be one of those Commissioners, who had any Office of Profit, or was accountable to their Majesties ; and their Care of the publick Money, in their second and third Sessions, we may collect from the Journals now read to us. For this Reason I am convinced, that what I am now to propose cannot be thought shewing the leaft Disrespect to his Majesty : It is only thewing that prudent Care of the People's Money, which we ought always to thew as their Representatives, even tho' there were no particular Reason for our being so careful.