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fatigued from the length of the late dis-, in private, that he had modified the tax cussions, he thought he should consult in such a manner that the pressure of it their convenience by this postponement. would not be inconvenient. The manu
Mr. Tierney said, that as far as he him. factories, in respect of windows, were of self was concerned he did not wish the two distinct classes, one where the winsubject to be postponed. He was per- dows were small and numerous; the other fecily prepared to renew his observations where the windows were large, and exon the subject, and to press it on the House tended from one end of the building to the that it was contrary to the form and es. other without division. Instead of 3s. 6d. sence of the mode of their voting money, per window he should reduce the lax to that they should consent to grant so large is. 6d. And when the number exceeded a sum in taxes without farther information. 100, the windows beyond that should be If the right hon. gentleman would bring charged by measure, as in the case in the two first resolutions at that time, of hot-houses, at 48 superficial feet the he could state the general objections which window, which would comprehend many he had to urge, and which would have no- small windows, and a great extent of thing to do with the nature of the parti. the low long windows. As to the cular taxes which were proposed.
warehouse tax, he should not propose to Mr. Ponsonby said, for his own part he adopt any progressive scale, and should was at that time unfit to attend to the dis- propose ihe charge of only 2s. in the cussion of any subject whatever; and he pound, however high the amount of rent believed many members were equally fa- might be, as the warehouse was considered tigued with the late discussions: he wished, as the means of profit, and not as the intherefore, that the consideration of the re- dication of the amount. Shops in those solutions should be postponed to Monday. houses which were exempt from payment
The Chancellor of the Erchequer said, of taxes, at present, on account of poverty, that as he believed it was the general wish would not be charged under the proposed of the House, should move that the tax; for instance, small collages which Report be taken into further consideration contained shops. What he had said of on Monday.
warehouses, also applied to manufactories. Mr. Philips said, that some of the taxes Mr. Butterworth thought some modificawbich had been proposed had excited tion of the tax on men-servants should be great alarm among the manufacturing adopted, with respect to such as were part of the community, and that deputa. under twenty years of age, who were iions had been dispatched to wait on the taken by many persons as much from moright hon. gentleman. He thought there- lives of charity, as for other purposes. fore that Monday would be too early a Mr. W. Smith thought an undue pressure period for the discussion.
was thrown by the new taxes on the The Chancellor of the Exchequer observed, manufacturing interest. He thought maltthat a much longer period than was usual houses and granaries should be exempled had been suffered to intervene between from the window duties on inanufactories, the introduction of the resolutions, and as the windows were for air and not light. the final decision of the House concerning The Report was ordered to be taken them. He had already collected much into further consideration on Monday. information on the subject of the different taxes, and before Monday there would be
HOUSE OF LORDS. time for any gentleman to make further communications to him on the subject.
Friday, March 10. Mr. Protheroe said, that it was under- PETITIONS RESPECTING THE Corn Laws.] stood to be the intention of the right hon. Earl Stanhope presented a petition against gentleman to propose some modifications any alteration in the Corn Laws from the in the taxes upon the windows of manufac parish of St. Ann's, Limehouse, and also Lories; he wished to be informed what was petitions from several other quarters, hav. their nature, as this information might in- ing the same object, all of which were duce many of his constituents to suspend laid on the table. His lordship adverted the petitions which they were about to to the fact of his having proposed a resobring forward on the subject.
lution last year, which had for its object The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, he to relieve the pressure on the agricultural was happy to state that to the House, wbich interest, without raising the price of corn. he bad before stated to several gentlemen He now gave notice, that on Thursday he
would submit to their lordships consider- praying generally that there might be no ation, the same resolution, with a small alteration in the corn laws, might and had alteration, in order to prevent the possi- | been received. bility of being misunderstood. He there. The Earl of Liverpool stated, that the fore moved that the Lords be summoned rule of the House was as the learned lord for Thursday next. Ordered,
had stated it. This petition was partly Lord Grenville presented a petition to against any regulations, and partly against the same effect, from the parish of St. a specific measure depending in the other John, Clerkenwell, signed by 9,448 per- House. There could exist in no quarter
His lordship also presented a peti- any desire to refuse the petition; and he tion to the same effect from the incorpora- recommended to the noble lord, not to tion of Weavers in Glasgow. His lordship persist in presenting it for the present, as then presented a petition to the same ef- he would soon probably have an opporfect from Greenwich, in Kent. This pe- tunity of presenting it without any doubt tition was read, and staled in strong and as to its regularity. pointed terms the inability of the peti- The Earl of Lauderdale said, he had no tioners to conceive how the imposing a desire to prevent the petition being rehigh duty or importation should not have ceived ; and, indeed, he would hardly the effect of raising the price of corn. His have urged the objection now, if he belordship said it was a very able paper both lieved it could have the effect of preventin its statement of facts and arguments. ing its being received ; but it ought to The petitioners noticed the regulations be withdrawn till the proper time. now in progress in the House of Com- Lord Grenville observed, that the prinmons, and prayed that they might not be ciple was to throw the doors wide open to adopted.
petitioners, and their lordships would The Earl of Lauderdale observed, that it therefore be willing perhaps to relax a was contrary to the rules of the House to little on a question of this nature, Howreceive petitions against bills that were in ever, as he should soon have an opportuprogress in the other House. They could nity of presenting it without any
doubt as know nothing about such bills lill they to its regularity, he would withdraw it for came before them, and therefore they the present. could admit of no petitions against them. Earl Grey said, that whatever difference His noble friend had said, that this was the of opinion might prevail on this subject, ablest paper he had ever read; but at the all must agree that it was a question of proper period he should be ready to show great delicacy, and of vast importance. It that the arguments were altogether une was manifest, therefore, that every thing founded ; and he was only sorry that his ought to be avoided which had the least noble friend, by the approbation which appearance of hurry and precipitation. he expressed, had rendered them his own. There were, besides, some points con
Lord Grenoille said, that his noble friend nected with the question on which their had somewhat misapprehended the terms lordships had not as yet oblained all the in which he had expressed his approba. information which they ought to have, tion.
that this was the ablest before they were called upon to decide paper that he had ever read, would cer- on a measure of this importance. It aptainly be saying a great deal; but he had peared to him that a committee ought said, and repeated it, that the paper was therefore to be appointed to procure very ably written. With respect to the further information, and lay the result receiving of the petition, it had been de- before the House. When this was done, cided by their lordships that they ought their lordships would come better prepared to receive petitions against any measure
to the discussion of the measure now about which was reported to be in contempla- to be brought before them. Having it in tion. Upon this principle, it appeared to view to propose to their lordships the aphim, that the present petition might be pointment of such a committee, he gave received.
notice of a motion to that effect for MonThe Lord Chancellor said, that it cer- day, and moved that their lordships be tainly was against the rules of the House summoned for that day. to receive petitions against specific mea- The Earl of Carlisle wished the noble sures stated to be in progress in the other earl opposite to state exactly to what House; though petitions against any re. extent it was proposed to raise the price gulations generally, such as petitions of grain, or the reasons which induced
him to believe that the measure in con
HOUSE OF COMMONS. templation would not raise the price of corn. His lordship deprecated precipita.
Friday, March 10. tion in a matter of this importance, and PETITIONS RESPECTING THE CORN Laws.] observed, that it was particularly unad- Sir John Newport presented a petition from visable to burry it forward, while they all the commercial houses of the city of had such riots in the streets, and a mili- Waterford, with one exception, praying tary force at the door. He himself was for farther protection to the agriculturist
, adverse to the measure in its present and stating the great depression under shape, but was open to conviction. which the farmers of Ireland were labour
The Earl of Liverpool said, that this was ing, and that the demand for British ina. not the time for entering into the merits of nufactures and colonial produce had dethe question, but begged leave to say, that creased in the proportion of this depreshe did not conceive the effect of the mea- sion. sure to be proposed to the House, would Sir N. Collhurst said, that he believed be to raise the price of corn at all. This the same feeling existed in the commercial he should be prepared to show at the city that he represented. proper time. His opinion was, that some Mr. Baring was willing that every conregulation was necessary; but as to the sideration should be given to the petition sacrifice of one species of interest in order from the city of Waterford; but it was to to promote another, he utterly disclaimed be recollected that this city was mainly any such idea, and no measure that he and principally concerned in the exportaconceived to have that tendency could tion of Irish corn, and that it was proposed ever have his countenance or support. by this Bill to give the Irish corn-grower Such a proceeding was to be avoided in the monopoly of the British market. He legislation generally, but more particu- conceived, therefore, that the town formed larly in legislating on a subject of this na- no exception to the opinions entertained ture. The measure which he should have in commercial towns on this subject. the honour to propose to their lordships Sir John Newport said, if it was in this would have for its object the advantage of way intended to prevent the city of the whole community, and not that of any Waterford from receiving due attention particular class at the expense of the rest. because it was concerved in the exporting As to their having a military force at their of Irish corn, he had an equal right to say doors, care had been taken never to call that a great part of the cities who had pe. upon the military to act till it became ab- titioned on ihe other side were concerned solutely necessary; and as to the clamour in the importation of foreign corn. It was in the streets, he had no desire to proceed hard thai no petition in favour of the Bill with greater precipitation merely on that could be presented either from landholders account. He only wished their lordships or commercial men, without injurious to proceed as if there had been no such charges being affixed to them either by clamour. The existence of Parliament de the hon. gentleman or those who took the pended on their deliberations being free. same side with him. The city of Water.
The Earl of Carlisle did not mean to ford was as much entitled to a respectful impute any blame to ministers for the em- hearing as the city of London. ployment of the military force, which cer- Mr. Baring disclaimed any wish to preiainly appeared to be necessary; but his vent the petition from Waterford receiving objection was to the proceeding with pre- every due attention. cipitation while those riots were going on. Mr. Howorth, in presenting a petition He was hardly a free agent while con from the borough of Evesham, observed, sidering the question under such circum- that the expectation of the petitioners had stances, for rather than yield any thing to been disappointed chiefly in this; they the clamour in the streets, he should be bad expected that Parliament would, in willing to vote for the Bill with all its im- the first instance, have made some attempt perfections on its head.
to relieve the burthens of taxation by a The Earl of Lauderdale insisted, that the retrenchment of expenditure, and a reduceffect of the measure would be to render tion of establishment. He expressed his corn cheap, and to promote the interests entire concurrence in the principle of the of the whole community. His reasons petition. for that opinion he should be prepared Sir Thomas Acland presented a petition to state fully at the proper season. from the land holders and occupiers of land
in the county of Devon, in favour of the my own sentiments on the subject of it, Corn Bill. The petition stated that the with a view of correcting a great mistake, poor-houses were filled with agricultural which has gone abroad of my being a labourers deprived of their usual employ- friend to the measure. I am, Sir, no supo ment in consequence of the discourage- porter of the Corn Bill. My wish is to ment of agriculture.
leave Government to do with it as it Sir Gilbert Heathcole said, that the num. pleases, because I believe that none of ber of persons out of employment might those who think themselves interested in be partly owing to the season of the year, this measure, are really interested in it. and partly to the hands discharged from I think that Government alone are intethe army and navy.
rested in the measure, as it is necessary Mr. Gooch said, in the county which to bolster up the system of taxation which he represented, there never were so many they are resolved to continue. If they persons out of employment as at present, would only make a retrenchment of all independent of the bands discharged from improper and unnecessary expenditure, the army and navy.
and put every thing on a suitable peace Lord Archibald Hamilton presented a establishment, there could be no pretence petition against any alteration in the Corn for inflaming the public mind at the prelaws, from Hamilton, Lanerk, and several sent moment on a topic like this, lo bolster other places in the Glasgow district of up an insupportable system; and if I boroughs.. The hon. member for Glasgow differ in opinion with some of my constihad been reported to have stated not only tuents, it is not with respect to the meathat his own opinions on this subject were sure itself, but with respect to the remedy changed, but that his constituents had which they seek. As to the late riots, I also changed their opinions. This report think it unworthy of any man that the had created a considerable ferment in that public indignation should be directed to part of the country; and he was instructed individuals of any description; and what to state most unequivocally, that their I wished to impress on the minds of the opinions on the subject of the Corn laws people, when I had lately an opportunity were still the same.
of addressing them, was-not to waste their Mr. Finlay said, in presenting two peti- efforts against the crude and futile meations the other day to the House, he had sure now under discussion, but to turn stated that the prayer of one of them was their whole attention to another evil, in favour of temporary restriction, and of which included in it all other evils--the the other, that the protecting price should corrupt state of the representation in parnot exceed 76s. In the debate he bad liament. I have been represented out of said, that if the importation price were doors, as having abandoned my former reduced to 758. or 76s. he thought he principles : it has been said that ibe landmight venture to state that it would not lord' at length appears, and the patriot be dissatisfactory to a great part of the disappears;
that I have allowed myself manufacturing district of Scotland; but to be swayed by private interest, and that whatever might be the feeling at one pe- this has stifled every other consideration. riod, he believed that at the present mo. I may on the present occasion state, that I ment no corn bill which went to raise the have, individually and personally, no inimportation price above what it stood at interest whatever in the result of the prepresent would be acceptable among the sent measure ; that, be that result what it manufacturers. He retained his opinion may, it will neither add one farthing, nor unaltered, that an additional protection take one farthing from me. With respect was necessary to the agriculturist. He to my little property—my little establishthought that a protecting price of 76s. ment-I may, as every man's property is might be beneficial both to agriculture in some sort bis kingdom, here say that and manufactures.
my little kingdom has ever been on a
peace establishment. I have always rather Westminster PetitioN AGAINST THE had a permanent state of things in view Corn Bill.] Sir Francis Burdett rose and than the taking advantage of any tema spoke to the following effect:-I have porary circumstances. Whether, therehere, Sir, a Petition signed by 42,473 in- fore, the protecting price should be fixed habitants of Westminster against the Corn at 80s. or one shilling, or no shillings at Bill now before the House. In presenting all, is a matter of indifference to me. In this perition, I cannot refrain from staring either case I have no interest: if the Bill (VOL. XXX.)
passes with the protecting price at 80s. The houses, I must protest strongly against it. quarter, I shall not raise my rents—and One cannot now walk the streets without if it does not pass, I shall not lower them. running the risk of being rode over by The country has been reduced 10 such a dragoons, I was told by a gentleman, situation of difficulties, that, according to that in going along the streets the other gentlemen on both sides of the question, night, some soldiers came up to him, and we have only a choice of evils. Now I told bim to go home. The gentleman have a measure to propose which is a said to them :-" I do not know that marpositive good, and will remedy every evil. tial law is yet established ;- you may go I know that some gentlemen have said that home if you please, for I will not.” The it is improper to hash up the subject of the noble lord may say that this military force Corn Laws with Parliamentary Reform. is necessary to put down the disturbances. Now I maintains
, that the one measure | But I say, and will maintain that they necessarily arises out the other, in so far have been guilty of murder, and that they as the enormous taxation from which the had no power to call out the military to Corn Bill takes its rise, is only necessary ride over the people. This was not the because the Government choose to keep up force which ihe constitution required to an establishment which will be destructive be called into action for the preservation to the constitution. I am borne out in of the peace. Surely the inhabitants of this view of the subject by what was lately this city might safely be entrusted with delivered in another place, by a noble lord the defence of their own property. No (Grenville), whose eyes were open to the man knows whether he is safe in going true situation of the country, who said he along the streets, if people are to be was astonished that any set of gentlemen placed in ambuscade, and allowed to fire in England could with patience endure the through doors and windows. [Cries of No, proposition of such a peace establishment; no']. I go by the inquest of the coroner, ihat if they pressed this establishment, it from which it appears that there was could not be disguised that their intention no justification whatever for their firing was to subvert the once free constitution of through the windows-that there was no this country, and to establish a military tumult whatever at the time the unfortudespotism in its stead; and that in such a nate man was killed. But even if there case he should no longer think it worth were, ought they not rather to display bis while to attend mock debates on any their force than to conceal it, to prevent subject in parliament. I appeal to every the necessity of shedding blood ? No man member in the House, if any discussion on would think of placing steel traps or spring any subject proposed by the ministry, can guns in his grounds to protect his probe viewed in any other light than a mock perty against thieves, without first putting debate; and if any man who sits in the up some notice of it. There never was seat which the noble lord opposite (lord such a thing heard of before in this counCastlereagh) occupies, cannot carry any try, as putting men in houses with arms to measure he pleases, by a great majority ? fire with on the people; to invite the Whatever falls from him is received as if people as it were to attack, by shewing he were clothed with the mantle of the no preparation for defence, and then to prophet--there he sits as an oracle, and destroy them in this manner. What could all the people bow obedience to him. be a stronger proof that the measures re[Laugh.) I have been represented, Sir, sorted to were not necessary, than the inas a friend to the Corn Bill; if I were so, stance which my own case affords ? I'have I would not deny it ; for my own opinion been supposed by the people to be a friend of the electors of Westminster is, that they to the Corn Bill, and have been reprewould despise me if I were to give an sented as such in most of the public papers; opinion in this House, different from the and yet my house and person have not opinion really entertained by me, by way been attacked, though protected by no of paying court to them. But, to cut the guard or military force; for I should have maiter very short, I will never avail my- preferred seeing my house razed to the self of the scandalous Septennial Act; and ground to the recurring to any such un. sball at all times be ready to resign my constitutional means, or the having it beseat in this House, to whatever person lieved that I could entertain any apprethey may think more worthy of it. With hensions for my safety. resp to the system now adopted of callo stated with such confidence in the newsing out the military and firing out of papers were, however, very generally cre;