: EBATE on the Choice of a Examinations of George Rose, John Fordyce, William Mitford, Thos. Allen, T.W. Partington, G. Row- 24 ley, Goulston Bruere, Richard Pa- 25 ton, R. Richardson, Thomas Ball, 183, 503, 315 Account of the Sums total in the Report of the Commissioners for ex- amining the public Accounts 62 the Land and Window Duties, ib. cife to the Order of the Commis- 159 were standing out at Lady-day 1779, Debate on the number of Forces un- with the Names of the respective der the Command of Gen. Clinton Receivers in whose Hands the faid Thanks to Earl Cornwallis, &c. 163 Dispute at St. Martin's 77 Debate on Navy Estimates, 202, 232 Complaint of the Refolves of the Westminster Committee 82 of the Court Martial, on the Trial 93 of Sir Hugh Pallifer, to be laid be- Debate on the Motion for enabling all Jamaica Petition 242, 256 ib, the Relief of the West-India Islards Petition on the Coventry Election, 97, Speeches of Gen. Smith, Lord North, 116, 245, 377 and Mr. Boughton Rous on East- Debate on the Stafford Petition Debate on the Motion of Thanks to State of the British Forces in North Letter from Admiral Rodney to the Account of the Men lost and disabled First Report of the Commiflioners for Totals of Embarkation Returns examining the public Accounts ib. List of the Returns made by the Britain and Ireland, for His Majel-* Receivers General of the Land- ty's Land Forces, from 1774 to 126 ib. Total of the Number of Men who Account of the weekly Balance of have died in actual Service in His the Revenues of the Post Office, for Majesty's Navy fince Jan. I, 1776 one quarter, ending October 10th, 269 1780 305 the Men raised for His of the quarterly Balance of Majesty's Navy from 1774 to 1780 the Post Office, upon the four quar 270 ters, ending October ioth, 1780 Second Report of the Commissioners 306 appointed to examine and staje the of the gross Receipts, &c. of Public Accounts ib. the Duties arising from Stamps, Salt, List of the Public Offices where Mo- &c. for one Year 307 ney is received for Taxes or Dus Examination of E. Naish, Esq. Al ties 277 sistant Secretary to the Tax Office Account of the Public Money in the 308 Hands of the Receiver General of Account of the Number of Houses the Customs chargeable to the Duties on Houses Examinations of J. Powel, A. Blink- and Windows ib. horn, J. Dugdale, J. Lloyd, Mil- Manifesto against the Dutch, and all ward Rowe, John Elliot, J.Turner, the Papers relating to the same 315 and John Marshall 280, &c. Debate on the Address to His Majesty, Account of Receipts and Payments by on the Rupture with Holland 345 R. Trevor, Receiver General of Debate on the Motion for an Account the Post Office 287 of Letters of Marque to be laid beExaminations of R. Trevor, W. fore the House 375 Fauquier, W. Ward, E. Mulso, Mr. Estwick thanks the House for the and John Bacon 288, &c. Relief granted to the Island of BarMoney received by Edward Mullo, badoes Esq. Receiver of the First Fruits The Thanks of the House to Sir F. 292 Norton, late Speaker 379 Examination of R. Chester, Esq. ib. Debate on Sir Hugh Palliser's appointAccount of the Tenths of the Clergy, ment to the Government of Greenwhich have been received in the 12 wich Hospital ib. Years lait past, ending at Christmas on the Mutiny Bill 433 1779 293 518, 522 Examination of T. Astle, Esq. Re on East-India Affairs 434 ceiver General of Sixpence in the Copies of East-India Petitions Pound on Pensions 295 Account of the Sums laid out on the Account of Monies received and paid Extra of the Navy from Dec. 1779 into His Majesty's Exchequer, by to Dec, 1780 472 T. Allen, ErqReceiver General Debate respecting the non-attendant of the Deduction of Sixpence in the Members 480 Pound 296 Debate on Mr. Burke's bill 482 -Examination of R. Carter, Esq. Re- Abstract of a Bill for uniting Wales, ceiver of the Deductions of One &c. 303 507 Account of all the Public Monies re on the Motion for an Account ceived and paid by R. Carter, Esq. of the Number and Force of Admi 304 ral Darby's Squadron to be laid bethe net Produce of the Re. fore the House 50g venues of the Post Office, from on the Ilchester Petition 5201708 to 1713 305 378 458 499 Appointed to meet at Westminster, on Tuesday, the 31st Day of Etober 1780. а THE HE new writs having been made returnable on the 31st of October, 1780, about three hundred members met this day in the rooms adjoining to the House of Commons, and a considerable number of them having been sworn by the Lord Steward, the King went to the House of Lords about three o'clock, and sent the usher of the black rod to the Commons, commanding their attendance in the House of Lords. When the gentlemen were come to the Lords' bar, the Lord Chancellor [Lord Thurlow) said to them, “ His Majesty has been pleased to command me to acquaint you, that he will defer declaring the causes of calling this Parliament until there shall be a Speaker of the House of Commons. And therefore it is His Majesty's pleasure, that you, gentlemen of the House of Commons, do inmediately repair to the place were the Commons usually fit, and there chuse a fit person to be your speaker; and that you prefent such person who shall be so chosen, to his Majesty here, for his royal approbation, to-morrow at two o'clock"* Accora * Extract from Elsynge's Antient method and manner of holding Parliaments in England. After relating the form used in chusing a speaker (which is the fame as that observed at present) he says, " Here may be two questions moved : “ s. Whether the Commons might chuse their speaker if the King commands them not? VOL. XVIII. B " 2. Whether Accordingly the Commons returned to their own House, and Mr. Hatféll, one of the clerks of Parliament, having taken his seat at the table, and the members who were sworn having taken their feats in their turns, Lord 1 2. Whether the election be in their own absolute choice ? “ For to clear these two, we might view the antient records; those of Richard II. are the first that mention their speaker. “ It doth not appear by any of them, that the Commons had ever any such commandment to chuse their speaker, neither is a word of it in any record of Edward III. which have the speeches at large, touching the summons, most of them concluding with a charge of the Commons to consider and advise amongst themselves, but nothing touching the election of a speaker. “ Yet out of doubt they did firft chufe their speaker, before they en. tered into any debate of charge. “ The first charge to chuse their speaker, is in anno 2, Henry IV. and it is continued until this day. " But as touching the second question, surely the election of the speaker was antiently free to the Commons, to chuse whom they would of their own House ; which appears in this, that the King never rejected any whom they made choice of.”' Thus far Elsynge. Had Mr. Elfynge lived until the year 1678, he would have struck out his last affertion, viz. “ that the King never rejected any whom they made choice of." In the parliamentary books and papers of the year 1678, there appears to have been a strong debate, on the King rejecting a speaker chosen by the Commons. A new parliament met on the 6th of March, 1678, and the Commons being (in the usual manner) commanded by the King to chuse a speaker, they returned from the House of Lords to their own House, when Colonel Birch rose, and recommended the right honourable Edward Seymour (who was speaker of the last parliament) for his great ability and long experience in the employment, as the fittest person for fo great a trust. The motion was agreed to, and Sir Edward Seymour was presented for his Majesty's approba:ion. As soon as he was at the Lords' bar, the Lord Chancellor said to him, “ That if His Majesty should al ways accept a person pitched upon by the House of Commons, " then it would be no great favour to be chosen speaker ; and there“ fore His Majesty being the best judge of perfons and things, thought “ fit to except against Mr. Seymour without giving any reasons to , the persons chusing, or the person chofen.” And therefore he ordered them to fix upon some other person by to-morrow morning, to be presented to the King for his approbation. The Commons returned to their own House, when Sir John Ernley, chancellor of the exchequer, stood up and acquainted them, “ He had orders from His Majesty to recommend Sir Thomas Meers to them to be their speaker.". Mr. Lord George Germain role, and addressed himself to Mr. L4. Georgs Germain. Hatsel, said the business first to be proceeded upon, was that which His Majesty had been pleased to direct, which was the choice of a speaker. His Lordship then descanted for a short time on the duties of a speaker, and the necessary qualifications for executing the office. He said, to be capable of filling the chair with dignity, the person proposed muft understand the conftitution of the state, be well aquainted with the law of Mr. Sacheverel said it was never known that a person should be excepted against, and no reason given. It is done to gratify some particular person. Mr. Williams. This seems to be a question of right. For above an hundred years past it has not been known that any speaker was ever excepted against. The thing itself of presenting him to the King is but a bare compliment. If we suffer this, we shall be put upon daily. Sır Thomas Clarges. There were parliaments long before there were Speakers chosen ; and afterwards, for the ease of the House, among themselves they pitched upon a speaker. Mr. Garraway. If you admit this, you would admit any thing! If Mr. Seymour be rejected from being speaker, pray-who must chuse the speaker, the King or us? It is plain, not us, Sir Thomas Lee. To except against a speaker without giving a reason, is to do a thing that may fet us together by the ears; and then they [meaning those who advise the King to reject the speaker] have their designed end. But I shall not consent to part with the least right that belongs to my country, for which I am chosen a representative. Colonel Birch. He that advised this will readily advise more, I'll warrant you. Mr. Powle. This ill advice must proceed from some who are too near the King. But I hope there is not a man here fearful of speaking his mind freely, in favour of those whom he represents, nor yet afraid of being dessolved, if it be to-morrow, for maintaining the right of those who chuse us to fit here for them. The House adjourned till next day, and presented a representation to the King, setting forth their right to a free election of a speaker, and hoped His Majesty would accept of the choice they had before 'made. The King answered, “ All this is but loss of time; and « therefore I desire you to go back again, and do as I have directed you.” They presented a second address shorter but sharper than the first. Upon reading this address, the King said, “ Gentlemen, I “ will send you an answer to-morrow.” Accordingly, as he had often done before upon great difficulties, he resolved to put an end to the dispute ; and on the next morning Thursday the 13th of March, he came to the House of Peers, and prorogued the Parliament until the Saturday following. Thus ended the first seffion of the new Parliament; and thus the King found a way to gain his point ; for on the 15th of March, being the first day of the second session, Williain Gregory, Esq. ferjeant at law, was chosen fpeaker. B 2 tha ز 1 |
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