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to get no new rank. Laft year these regiments were raised for a special service, and on the extraordinary pretence that old regiments would not fuit that service so well. What was become of that service now? The regiments were still in England, and to be sure it was a hard fare for Colonel Fullarton to have been in the arıny a whole year, and to have got no new rank! Colonel Humberstop indeed, for whose private character he had the highest respect, had been regularly bred in the army, but he had leen no service. With regard to what the right honourable gentleman had declared, that the rapid decrease of our army was owing to the unhealthy climates, but “ that the Spanish fickness was so great, that it was not to be conceived," he was a little surprised. He could not say what degree of ficknefs that might be, which was not to be conceived; but had lrcard that our own corps, which were carried out raw, and the men in which, when put on board the transports for embarkation, were not capable of handling their arms, had been so fickly, that they had not landed at St. Lucia a fortnight, before the whole corps were so bad, they were totally unserviceable, died daily, and could not mufter four men and a corporal who were well enough to pat each of their feilow foldiers in the ground after death. Mr. Townshend imputed great blame to minifters for fending new levies abroad, and renewed his complaint made the preceding day, that though the regiments were estimated at 900 men each, there were not in several, which he had feen in the course of the

fummer, many more than 300. The Secreo The Secretary at War answered Mr. Townshend, and said bery or War that office were not to blame, if the recruits were unfit for

service. That not any regiment had pay, nor any officer bis commission before the regiment had been reviewed by a general officer, and a return made by that general officer, that the regiment was complete. That it had frequently happened that on these reviews many of the recruits were refused by the general officer, and the person who raised the regiment obliged to get more men. With regard to the old regiments being preferable to the new levies, he was ready to admit it: nay, he would go ftill farther; he would own that he had much rather have one recruit for a regular regiment, than two for a new-raised one; he was aware how preferable, and how much fitter for the service the one was, when compared to the other; the only ground on which the levies ftruck him


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as warrantable, was, they were much easier to be got, and the necessity of the war was pressing. As to the recruits, surely gentlemen did not expect that as good recruits were to be got now, as in the beginning of the war; or that as fine men were to be seen in a new raised regiment, as in a regiment of militia; the thing was impracticable. In proportion to the continuance of a war, the recruiting service became more and more difficult; our resources of men were so much the nearer exhausted, and therefore that recruits to be had now, should not be equal to thofe bad formerly, was a natural consequence, impossible to be avoided.

General Burgoyne took up the secretary at war, on his jufti- General fying the preference given to new levies over the old regi- Burgoyne, ments, on the plea of the necessity of the war, and argued against the admifsion of it. He said, among various other maiters, that it was frequent when a general officer reviewed a new-raised regiment, for him to find a deficiency of fift or a hundred men; that when the general officer asked where those men were, the commander of the regiment replied, they were fick, or absent on furlough, and undertook to certify for them. In consequence of this practice, regiments were frequently embarked for foreign service, one hundred men short of their complement. The general farther said, that it was well known to every man in the army, that the new levies were mere wax, when sent to unhealthy climates; that they were of no service whatever, but melted away immediately. With regard to what his honourable friend near him had said of the recruits in those new regiments, it was strictly true, that they were bought up of the crimp merchants at Charing Cross, who tricked all they dealt with, and kept a parcel of good-looking men for occasional recruits, which they ran from one regiment to another, as suited them, but let them continue in none. He obferved, that this would always be the case, whilft the old regiments were restricted to five pounds levy-money, and the new ones left ad libitum, to give fix, eight, ten guineas, or what they pleased,

Sir William Cunyinghame replied to General Burgoyne, and Sir William faid, to his knowledge, the 92d regiment was complete when Curying:

bame, it embarked, at Plymouth. That it had been reviewed by General Stiles, who took no certificate, but visited and examined the fick himself. That there were none of those Vol. XVIII.



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Colonel Borre,

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crimps' men in it, which the general had described as being
run from regiment to regiment, Sir William faid, he
thought it due to his friend, who commanded the 92d regi-
ment, to say thus inuch for it in his absence,

Colonel Barre produced a written account of the state of General Clinton's army in November, 1779, which he declared he believed to be accurate, and called upon ministers to contradict it, if they could. By this return, it appeared, that the General's arıny consisted of 32,000 regulars, and 6,000 Provincials, in November 1779-and as there were 79,000 men voted last year for the plantation service, the colonel contended, that there were 41,000 men to be accounted for, and that the only place any other part of our army could be looked for, was about 10,000 in Gibraltar and Minorca, and the remainder in Canada and the West Indies, where he deficd minifters to prove, that any thing like the deficiency were employed. He called

He called upon them therefore to account either for the men or the money.

The Secretary at W'ar said it was impossible for him to actary a: War. count for the distribution of the army two years back, which

was before he held his present office, but if he remembered
right, there were 17,000 men on the establishment in the
West Indies, besides the troops in the East-Indies and in
Africa, neither of which places the honourable gentleman
had taken the least notice of,

The Colonel allowed that those two quarters of the globe had escaped him, and laid there was one battalion in Afia, (about 1,000) and 213 men in Africa. He laughed at the idea of 17,000 being employed in the Welt-Indies, and said, if he attempted to impole such a legend on people without doors, he should be ridiculed, allowing however for the sake of are

gument, that the case were so, where were the remainder? The Secre. The Secretary at Iar desired that his not being able to acsary as War, count, when suddenly called upon, for the distribution of

the army two years ago might not be misinterpreted.
Gen. Smirb. The colonel replied again, and General Smith just rose to

support General Burgoyne's argument relative to the prefe-
rence of old regiments when sent on foreign service to new
levies. The general supported what he said, by mentioning
the manner in which the 74th, 81st, and another regiment,
(with which he had the honour to serye abroad laft war,)


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were recruited by drafts from the regulars at home, in consequence of which the men werc fit for service the instant they landed.

The motion was at length agreed to, as were the other eftimates. Adjourned to the 27th.

November 27. Mr. Coke rose, and acquainted the House that he was now Mr. Coke. about to inake the motion of which he had given previous notice; a motion for the thanks of the Houle to Eal Cornwallis, for the important services he had done to his country. At the time he had made that motion he did not recolle&t the propriety of giving thanks at the same time to General Sir Henry Clinton, for the fignal services performed by him to this nation, He now wished to comprehend him in the vote of thanks which he moved, and which he hoped would pass uanimously.

The first thing he had done, after he received the command of the army, was to march the troops from Philadelphia to New-York; a retreat which was universally allowed to be the finest thing performed, during the present war, before that.period; and if there had been any precedent for thanking a general for even an able retreat, Sir Henry Clinton was, doubtlets, entitled, and certainly would have received, the thanks of the Houle upon that occasion. There were particular circumstances, which made it ineligible to offer the thanks of the Houte to Sir Henry Clinton, on the reduction of Charles-Town. Those circumstances Mr. Coke did not specify, but whatever they were, it was apparent, that, in his opinion, they no longer existed. Gen. tlemen on every side of the House bore testimony to the excellent conduct and gallant bravery of Lord Cornwallis, nor would it be denied, he presumed, that the fame qualities were possessed in an eminent degree by Sir Henry Clinton. It would have a bad effect to vote the thanks of the House to one of those gentlemen, and not the other. The thanks of the House were deserved by both; but while gentlemen allowed the great qualities and virtues of those officers, some disapproved the cause in which they were exerted. An honourable gentleman, whom he did not see in bis place, had avowed mixed fentiments of this kind; but that honourable gentleman, of approved courage himself, knew how to value



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that noble virtue in others, and he still hoped that he would
not, if present, orpose his motion. For his own part, he
had been one of those who lamented the commencement of
the American war,, and disapproyed many of the measures
adopted in its prosecution. But the origin of the present war
he kept entirely out of view in the present question. Ame-
rica was now the ally of France; the confederate of the
House of Bourbon. He did not say that the war against
America was not big with many calamities to Great Britain,
he apprehended that it would even be the ruin of this coun-
try; that is, that it would impoverish this country extreme-
ly: but still he faw no medium between unconditional sub-
million to the enemy, and the most spirited exertions. ,

He had not, in the motion he was now to lay before the
House, said any thing concerning the justice or policy of the
American war, hoping thereby to gain that unanimity, witha
out which a motion of thanks, though carried, loft much of
its value. If the motion he was now to make should be the
objeit of debate and altercation, he did not much care whe-
ther it should be carried or not. He then made a motion,
“ That the thanks of this House be given to General Sir
Henry Clinton, Knight of the Bath, for the important fer-
vices rendered by himn and the troops under his coinmand, in
the reduction of Charles-Town, and that the thanks of the
House be given to Earl Cornwallis, for the signal and meri,
torious services he had done to his country, by the most glo-
rious victory obtained by him over the American rebels at
Camden; and that the Speaker do report the fame to the ge-
neral officers who are the objeets of them.”

Lord Lewisham rose to second the motion. He embraced with joy an opportunity of expressing his high regard to the characters of the two general officers, whose namnes had been mentioned with due respect by the honourable gentleman who spoke lait.

Although we were not yet blessed with that una. nimity which was necessary fo to swell the sails of the vessel of state, as to waft us safely over that tempestuous ocean of troubles in which we were at present involved, yet he saw with joy the dawnings of an unanimity; he saw a fpecies of unanimity, which was no finall source of consolation. Every body seemed satisfied that there was a necessity of humbling the power of France and Spain,

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