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Examinations of George Rose, John
Fordyce, William Mitford, Thos.
183, 503, 315 Account of the Sums total in the
Report of the Commissioners for ex-
the Arrears and Defaulters of
cife to the Order of the Commis-
Dispute at St. Martin's
77 Debate on Navy Estimates, 202, 232
the Motion for the Sentence
Motion for the Land-tax
Debate on the Stafford Petition
Total of the Number of Men who Account of the weekly Balance of
have died in actual Service in His the Revenues of the Poft Office, for Majesty's Navy fince Jan. 1, 1776 one quarter, ending October 10th, 269 1780
305 the Men raised for His
of the quarterly Balance of Majesty's Navy from 1774 to 1780 the Post Office, upon the four quar
270 ters, ending October ioth, 1780 Second Report of the Commissioners
appointed to examine and staje the of the gross Receipts, &c. of Public Accounts
ib. the Duties arising from Stamps, Salt, List of the Public Offices where Mo- &c. for one Year
is received for Taxes or Dus Examination of E. Naish, Esq. Al. ties
277 fiftant Secretary to the Tax Office Account of the Public Money in the
308 Hands of the Receiver General of Account of the Number of Houses the Customs
ib. chargeable to the Duties on Houses Examinations of J. Powel, A. Blink- and Windows
ib. horn, J. Dugdale, J. Lloyd, Mil. Manifesto against the Dutch, and all ward' Rowe, John Elliot, J.Turner, the Papers relating to the same 315
and John Marshall 28®, &c. Debate on the Address to His Majeity, Account of Receipts and Payments by on the Rupture with Holland 345
R. Trevor, Receiver General of Debate on the Motion for an Account the Poft Office
287 of Letters of Marque to be laid beExaminations of R. Trevor, W. fore the House
375 Fauquier, W. Ward, E. Mulfo, Mr. Estwick thanks the House for the and John Bacon
288, &c. Relief granted to the Island of BarMoney received by Edward Mullo, badoes
378 Efq. Receiver of the First Fruits The Thanks of the House to Sir F.
379 Examination of R. Chester, Esq. ib. Debate on Sir Hugh Palliser's appointAccount of the Tenths of the Clergy, ment to the Government of Greenwhich have been received in the 12 wich Hospital
ib. Years lait past, ending at Christmas on the Mutiny Bill
433 1779 293
518, 522 Examination of T. Astle, Esq. Re
on East-India Affairs
434 ceiver General of Sixpence in the Copies of East-India Petitions Pound on Pensions
295 Account of the Sums laid out on the Account of Monies received and paid Extra of the Navy from Dec. 1779 into His Majesty's Exchequer, by to Dec, 1780
472 T. Allen, Esq. Receiver General Debate respecting the non-attendant of the Deduction of Sixpence in the Members
296 Debate on Mr. Burke's bill 482 Examination of R. Carter, Esq. Re. Abstract of a Bill for uniting Wales, ceiver of the Deductions of One &c.
499 Shilling in the Pound on Offices and Debate on the first reading of Mr. Pensions 303 Burke's bill
507 Account of all the Public Monies re
on the Motion for an Account ceived and paid by R. Carter, Esq. of the Number and Force of Admi
304 ral Darby's Squadron to be laid bethe net Produce of the Re. fore the House
50g venues of the Post Office, from
on the Ilchester Petition 520 1708 to 1713
Appointed to meet at Westminster, on Tuesday, the 31st Day
of Etober 1780. The new writs having been made returnable on the 31st of October, 1780, about three hundred members met this day in the rooms adjoining to the House of Commons, and a considerable number of them having been sworn by the Lord Steward, the King went to the House of Lords about three o'clock, and sent the usher of the black rod to the Commons, commanding their attendance in the House of Lords. When the gentlemen were come to the Lords' bar, the Lord Chancellor [Lord Thurlow) said to them, “ His Majesty has been pleased to command me to acquaint you, that he will defer declaring the causes of calling this Parliament until there shall be a Speaker of the House of Commons. And therefore it is His Majesty's pleasure, that you, gentlemen of the House of Commons, do inmediately repair to the place were the Commons usually fit, and there chuse a fit person to be your speaker; and that you present such person who shall be so chosen, to his Majesty here, for his royal approbation, to-morrow at two o'clock."*
* Extract from Elfynge's Antient method and manner of holding Parliaments in England.
After relating the form used in chusing a speaker (which is the fame as that observed at present) he says, “ Here may be two questions moved :
1. Whether the Commons might chuse their speaker if the King commands them not : VOL. XVIII.
“ 2. Whether
Accordingly the Commons returned to their own House, and Mr. Hatlell, one of the clerks of Parliament, having taken his feat at the table, and the members who were sworn having taken their feats in their turns,
2. Whether the election be in their own absolute choice ? “ For to clear these two, we might view the antient records; those of Richard II. are the first that mention their speaker.
“ It doth not appear by any of them, that the Commons had ever any such commandment to chuse their speaker, neither is a word of it in any record of Edward III. which have the speeches at large, touching the summons, most of them concluding with a charge of the Commons to consider and advise amongst themselves, but nothing touching the election of a speaker.
“ Yet out of doubt they did first chufe their speaker, before they entered into any debate of charge.
“ The first charge to chuse their speaker, is in anno 2, Henry IV. and it is continued until this day.
" But as touching the second question, surely the election of the speaker was antiently free to the Commons, to chufe whom they would of their own House ; which appears in this, that the King never rejected any whom they made choice of.”
Thus far Elsynge.
Had Mr. Elfynge lived until the year 1678, he would have struck out his last assertion, viz. “ that the King never rejected any whom they made choice of." In the parliamentary books and papers of the year 1678, there appears to have been a strong debate, on the King rejecting a speaker chosen by the Commons.
A new parliament met on the 6th of March, 1678, and the Commons being (in the usual manner) commanded by the King to chuse a speaker, they returned from the House of Lords to their own House, when Colonel Birch rose, and recommended the right honourable Ed. ward Seymour (who was speaker of the last parliament) for his great ability and long experience in the employment, as the fittest person for to great a trust.
The motion was agreed to, and Sir Edward Seymour was presented for his Majesty's approba:ion. As soon as he was at the Lords' bar, the Lord Chancellor said to him, “ That if His Majesty should al
ways accept a person pitched upon by the House of Commons, “ then it would be no great favour to be chofen speaker ; and there. “ fore His Majesty being the best judge of persons and things, thought “ fit to except against Mr. Seymour without giving any reasons to " the persons chusing, or the person chosen.” And therefore he or. dered them to fix upon some other person by to-morrow morning, to be presented to the King for his approbation.
The Commons returned to their own House, when Sir John Ernley, chancellor of the exchequer, stood up and acquainted them, He had orders from His Majesty to recommend Sir Thomas Meers to them to be their speaker.")
Lord George Germain role, and addressed himself to Mr. L4. Georgs
Germain. Hatfel, said the business first to be proceeded upon, was that which His Majesty had been pleased to direct, which was the choice of a speaker. His Lordship then descanted for a short time on the duties of a speaker, and the necessary qualifications for executing the office. He said, to be capable of filling the chair with dignity, the person proposed muft understand the conftitution of the state, be well aquainted with the law of
Mr. Sacheverel said it was never known that a person should be excepted against, and no reason given. It is done to gratify some
para ticular person.
Mr. Williams. This seems to be a question of right. For above an hundred years past it has not been known that any speaker was ever excepted against. The thing itself of presenting him to the King is but a bare compliment. If we suffer this, we shall be put upon daily.
Sır Thomas Clarges. There were parliaments long before there were speakers chosen ; and afterwards, for the ease of the House, among themselves they pitched upon a speaker.
Mr. Garraway. If you admit this, you would admit any thing! If Mr. Seymour be rejected from being speaker, pray-who must chuse the speaker, the King or us? It is plain, not us,
Sir Thomas Lee. To except against a speaker without giving a reason, is to do a thing that may fet us together by the ears; and then they [meaning those who advise the King to reject the speaker] have their designed end. But I shall not consent to part with the least right that belongs to my country, for which I am chosen a representative.
Colonel Birch. He that advised this will readily advise more, I'll warrant you.
Mr. Powle. This ill advice must proceed from some who are too near the King. But I hope there is not a man here fearful of speaking his mind freely, in favour of those whom he represents, nor yet afraid of being deffolved, if it be to-morrow, for maintaining the right of those who chuse us to fit here for them. | The House adjourned till next day, and presented a representation to the King, setting forth their right to a free election of a speaker, and hoped His Majesty would accept of the choice they had before 'made. The King answered, All this is but loss of time; and o therefore I desire you to go back again, and do as I have directed “ you.” They presented a second address thorter but sharper than the first. Upon reading this address, the King said, “ Gentlemen, I “ will send you an answer to-morrow,” Accordingly, as he had often done before upon grcat difficulties, he resolved to put an end to the dispute ; and on the next morning Thursday the 13th of March, he came to the House of Peers, and prorogued the Parliament until the Saturday following. Thus ended the first seffion of the new Parliament; and thus the King found a way to gain his point ; for on the 15th of March, being the first day of the second session, William Gregory, Esq. ferjeant at law, was chosen speaker.