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marry according to the rites of their own communions; for they were excepted in Lord Hardwicke's Act. Now could any man assert that the doctrines of the Unitarians were more at variance with the principles of Christianity than those of the Jews were? The Unitarians denied the divinity of Christ; but the Jews denied the truth of Christianity altogether -they blasphemed and crucified him whom we adored. The same argument would apply to Mahometans and various other persuasions, if the members of them were sufficiently numerous in this country. But how did the law stand at present? In some cases marriage, according to the rites of the Church of England, was not necessary even amongst members of the Church of England itself; for they might go to France and be married by a Roman Catholic, or to Scotland and be married by a Presbyterian, and in both cases the marriage was good and binding. He believed that if, in a country where a priest could not be had, a marriage was performed by a civil person, that marriage was also valid by law; and the reason was, that every possible facility might be given to marriage, in order to prevent immorality. He would now advert to the ground of expediency. The strongest ar gument which he had heard against the bill, was that which had been urged by a Right Reverend Prelate, who said if the concession were to be made to the Unitarians, why not extend it to every other sect? The answer was, because it was impracticable. When a bill had been brought in for that purpose by a Noble Lord, he (Lord Liverpool) voted for it; but he afterwards stated, that he could not give it his support in the committee, having been convinced, by the speech of a Noble Friend of his, that it would be impossible to frame a general act to meet the object in view. They had an example for the present measure in the case of the Quakers. He thought, that where there was a sincere and conscientious objection entertained, it ought to be respected. A Jew could not, a Quaker could not, a Unitarian could not, submit to have the ceremony performed by the Church of England, or, if he could, it was only by casting a slur on that Church; for their Lordships constantly saw in the papers statements of protests, which must have filled them with disgust. The Church had a right, and it was her duty, to compel marriage according to her own rites, amongst her own members; but as she did not assume to be an infallible church, he did not see why she should look with any jealousy ou the doctrines of those who were of a different communion. He therefore saw no objection to the

present bill, and on these grounds he would give it his support.

The Bishop of CHESTER would trouble the House with a very few observations. There could be no question as to the importance of this subject to the Unitarians. If they were sincere in their belief (as he had no doubt they were) against the divinity of the Trinity, and if they really considered that by submitting to the ceremony of marriage in the Church of En. gland, they were brought to worship the Trinity, he certainly thought them entitled to relief. While the Noble Marquis opposite defended the sincerity of the Unitarians, he had thought proper to cast an unmerited imputation on the body of the English clergy. ("No," from Lord Lansdown.) He certainly understood his Lordship to allude to them.

The Marquis of LANSDOWN said, he had not made any such allusion.

The Bishop of CHESTER was ready to admit the sincerity of the Unitarians, but they were spurred on to their present complaint by the sueers of a sect who called themselves Free-thinking Christians. Here his Lordship read an extract from the Free-thinking Christians' Magazine, in which the writer animadverted upon the marriages of the Unitarians by ministers of the Established Church. As, however, there was no very great grievance imposed upon the consciences of the Unitarians, he thought that, after having submitted so long, they. might submit for one year longer to the privation of what he considered a right. He agreed with the Right Reverend Prelate (the Bishop of Lichfield) that the present measure would afford not only relief to the Unitarians, but also to the clergy of the Church of England; and he would, therefore, put the former on the same footing with the Quakers, and all the other Dissenters, before the passing of the Marriage Act. He was not for imposing the doctrine or the discipline of the Church of England upon those who could not conscientiously entertain them; but the Unitarians were not prepared at present to give the necessary securities against clandestineness, and, consequently, he was impelled to oppose this bill. He had no objection to give the Unitariaus the same privilege which was enjoyed by Jews and Quakers, but nothing further; at the same time, that he would provide effectual barriers against clandestine marriages.

Lord REDESDALE opposed the bill.

Lord CALTHORPE supported the bill, on the ground that it was a measure of relief to the Church rather than to the Unitarians. He also contended, that it was unfair to place the Unitarians on the

same footing as any other Dissenters, because, to other Dissenters, who did not, like the Unitarians, deny the doctrine of the Trinity, the marriage ceremony was no hardship, but it was to Unitarians a very great one. He would not attempt to impugn the legal argument of the Noble and Learned Lord ou the Woolsack, but the present law, admitting it to be correctly stated by the Noble and Learned Lord, afforded, in his mind, a strong reason for passing the bill. The Church could not better promote her true interests than by couforming herself to the increasing knowledge and genius of the age. Nothing could be more injurious to her than to place her in opposition to liberal ideas. The Church was able to rely on her own strength, and might, without fear, appeal to the augmented learning and assiduity of her clergy, to the increased number of her churches, and to the two great Universities, which year after year sent forth distinguished champions to uphold her rank and maintain her security. In conclusion, he supported the measure, because he believed that it would add to the dignity and character of the Church of England.

subjects, should be deemed or suspected to be liable at common law to be treated as if they had committed, in professing a peculiar religious opinion, a detestable crime. He did not believe that Lord Mansfield could have been in error when he declared that the law protected nothing which that law deemned a crime. The petitioners, whatever might have been their former opinions of security under the Toleration Act, could not conceal from their Lordships, that doubts had been entertained in high quarters, such as were described in the petition, whether the petitioners did not commit a crime at common law by the opinions they held. They approached their Lord. ships with a prayer, to which he was sure their Lordships were disposed to lend an indulgent ear; a prayer that they might know what the law is under which they stand. It was just, that as they had committed no crimes, they should be amenable to no laws. Their Lordships would see the propriety of having the law settled on this point, as all their public charities and institutions would fall to the ground if the opinions they professed were to be regarded at common law as a detestable crime. The prayer of their petition interested all other Protestant Dissenters. He would take that opportunity of stating, that the time must come, and he hoped it was not far off, wheu these Dissenters must be relieved from a grievance as to the celebration of marriage, and when the Church of England would have removed from it the pecessity of discharging an equivocal and painful duty, and he looked forward to the passing of that measure as the proper 56 opportunity for recognizing the principle he had brought under their Lordships' notice, and perhaps better than doing it by any direct proceeding. It was fit that the obscure cloud should be removed which now hung over the Dissenters, and that they should not be left in any doubt as to the state of the law on a point so important to them. The Noble Marquis concluded by moving that the petition should be read at length. [For the Peti tion, see p. 380.]

After a few words from the Marquis of LANSDOWN, in which his Lordship denied that the sect of Free-thinking Christians had had any part in bringing forward the present bill, the House divided. The numbers appeared-for the second reading

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Petition from Unitarians. The Marquis of LANSDOWN rose to present a petition to their Lordships from a body of men with whom he did not agree, and with whose opinions their Lordships, he knew, did not agree-a petition from the Unitarian Dissenters, praying for inquiry into the state of the law as it was applicable to them. He knew (the Noble Marquis said) that it was not possible for their Lordships to enter then into the inquiry, but he must say that he was surprised that any body of men, against whom whatever errors might be imputed to their belief, no crime could be alleged, and who professed those religious opinions which held society together; he was surprised that a body of men of this description, who were not charged with any crimes as bad

On the petition being read, the LORD CHANCELLOR agreed with the petitioners, and with the Noble Marquis, that the exact state of the law should be ascertained, though he did not say whether it should be by a new act or otherwise. If it were found that doubts did exist with regard to the law, and a new act was necessary, he should be ready to give the petitioners the benefit of this act, and not make it to their prejudice. He was not then called on to enter on the question, but whenever he was, he should

be ready to state the grounds of his opi nion. The Noble Lord was much mis taken if he supposed, that when the state of the law was ascertained, it was his (the Lord Chancellor's) wish to introduce any measure to the prejudice of the sect in question.

Lord HOLLAND said, the Noble and Learned Lord seemed to have forgotten that he not very long ago addressed their Lordships on this subject, and though he did not state what the law was, he stated there were doubts concerning it, and these doubts were sufficient to raise doubts in the minds of others. To have them set at rest, the petitioners had taken, he thought, the only straight-forward, manly course. If the Noble and Learned Lord had these doubts as to the state of the law, it would have been more fair, more honourable, and more generous, to have come forward and stated them openly, and more worthy of him to have applied his powerful mind to rectify and amend the law. It was impossible, as his Noble Friend had stated, to propose any proceedings on the petition during this session. There was some difficulty also in taking any direct step. The petitioners were not to be blamed for not having petitioned earlier; the existence of the doubts on which the petition was founded had not been long known, and till those doubts were expressed they did not suppose they were liable to any pu nishment at common law. The opinion that they were, coming from so high an authority-an authority also which had described as uncharitable the preamble to that old law which stigmatized the opinions of the Dissenters as a detestable crime-had raised doubts and fears which runst be set at rest. He approved of the petition, not only on account of the Dissenters, but on account of the community at large. All the Dissenters of England and Ireland were deeply interested on this question, and the petitioners de. served, he thought, the thanks of their countrymen. The doctrines laid down as to the law did not affect their interest alone, but the interest of all the Dissenters of the kingdom. It was, he knew, the opinion of Mr. Justice Foster-an opinion espoused and enforced by Lord Chief-Justice Mansfield, by Mr. Justice Willis, and half embraced by Mr. Justice Blackstone-that all the Dissenters of England existed only by sufferance, and that the whole of their charitable institutions rested on a sandy foundation, and might all be destroyed by a process at law. Their Lordships had seen during the session, particularly when the measure for releasing the Catholics from their disabilities, and for knocking off the fetters of this part of our population,

was under consideration, that then every sort of kind expression had been used to the Protestant Dissenters. "They were our Protestant brethren"-reminding him of the words, "Gentle Harry Percy, kind cousin." He would not, however, go on with the quotation and say, "The devil take such cousins;" but according to that sentiment were the Dissenters treated. A few days after that measure was thrown out, one body of the Dissenters came to ask for a measure of relief, in which they were supported by some of the most enlightened members and greatest ornaments of the Church, who, with a proper regard to their own dignity, supported it, because it would be not only a boon to the Dissenters, but remove a burden from the Church; then, how. ever, up jumps, said his Lordship, our cousin yonder in all his panoply of state, and asks, "Who are you? I know пothing of you; you have no existence ;" and he finds ont some Act of Parliament, in which persons holding the opinions of our Protestant brethren are described as guilty of a detestable crime. The Noble and Learned Lord held this opinion, he believed, on the ground that Christianity was part and parcel of the common law, and that those who denied the Trinity, denied Christianity, and thus became amenable to the common law. With respect to Christianity being part of the common law, he did not mean to say much; it was no part of the case of the petitioners, and the state of his own health would not allow him to enter into it at length. [His Lordship came into the House on crutches, and looked unwell; he was suffering, we understood, from an attack of the gout.] He must, however, say, that he had lately had his attention much drawn to the subject, and he was surprised to find on what slender foundations this assumption of Christianity being part and parcel of the law of the land rested. He did not mean to oppose this principle, but he was surprised, and he believed their Lordships would be surprised, at the fearful rapidity with which laws had been made or revived out of Parliament when this subject came under discussion. If Justice Raymond and Lord Chief-Justice Holt had declared it to be part and parcel of the law-if the former had been careful to say the general principles of Christianity-if Lord Mansfield, using more correct language, had stated that the principles of revealed religion were a part of the law, and that to revile it was punishable, then Christianity was part of the law, and it must have a legal meaning. But what, he would ask, was that legal meaning? If by it was meant a belief in the Scriptures only, then every person who believed in them

could not, constitutionally and legally, be held to deny Christianity. If they were to adopt the old common law, and say, that was Christianity which was then recognised, in that case to deny Transubstantiation would be as great an offence as denying the Trinity. The Noble and Learned Lord, in his zeal to prop up the Church, was thus calling on their Lordships, before they took their seats in that House, to do that which was au offence at common law. The Christianity, however, he believed, which was to be made a part and parcel of the law, was the Established Church-that was the doctrine the Noble and Learned Lord meant to enforce, though he did not shew it in all its hideous features. Against the consequences of this doctrine he wished to warn the country. He knew that this was the doctrine held by Mr. Justice Willis in the case of Evans. No decision had ever done Lord Mansfield more honour than the one in that case. It ought to be read at least once a year by every man. The case was referred to in the petition, and it was this-Mr. Evans had refused to pay a fine for not taking on himself an office in the city. He pleaded as an exemption that he was a Dissenter; but it was replied that he could not plead that as an exemption, which was held by the law to be a crime; but it was finally decided that the Toleration Act not only protected but established Protestant Dis. senters. The petition was to obtain for the Protestant Dissenters of England, the full benefit of the Toleration Act. While those doubts existed which had been at tempted to be thrown on the state of the Unitarians, they could not be secure in leaving their property for the benefit of their own charitable institutions, or for the instruction of children whose parents believed as they believed. The petition called on the House to put this question at rest for ever, and place the petitioners on the same footing as the rest of their fellow subjects.

The LORD CHANCELLOR reminded the Noble Lord, that the doubts he had stated were not his own opinion, but what had actually occurred in the Courts at Westminster Hall. The petition was then laid on the Table.

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by the present state of the existing laws affecting the profession of certain religious opinions. He had heard that it had been stated from a very high quarter in another house, in respect to the laws affecting the Unitariaus, that before any act could be passed for relieving them from the operation of particular statutes, it would be well that some bill should be passed previously, to protect them from the penalties to which they were still subject at common law. (Hear.) At the same moment, and from the same high and learned quarter, there proceeded an appeal which it was impossible not to perceive to be directed and addressed to him (Mr. Smith) personally, and which went to remind him, that at the time a bill which he had been instrumental in carrying through Parliament was passed, such bill having for its object to protect Unitariaus in certain cases from the legal consequences that might attach to the impuguing of the doctrine of the Trinity,

he (Mr. Smith) had made a declaration to the noble and eminent person in question, whereby he agreed, as to all cases not provided for by such statutes, to leave the Unitarians liable to all the visitations that they might be still exposed to from the common law. Now, most unquestionably, he had never made such a declaration. On a former occasion, when he was preparing a measure for the further relief of the Unitarians from the obligation of taking certain oaths, he had had au interview with that most Rev. and distinguished Prelate, the Archbishop of Canterbury, for the pur pose of explaining to his grace the prin ciple of the bill he was then about to bring into the House. The Archbishop of Canterbury, at that time, told him, that if his object was only to remove such penal liabilities as operated to preveut, perhaps, the fair and friendly and candid discussion of the doctrinal points to which the Unitarians excepted, he, the Archbishop of Canterbury, was willing to consent to the repeal of those statutes that might be thought to stand in the way of such a discussion; but, of course, not extending this understanding to any denial of Christianity in general, or to blasphemy; both of which he (Mr. Smith) himself proposed to except out of the operation of his bill. The object of bis bill, the Act of 3d Geo. IV., was simply this-to put Unitarian Dissenters on the same footing, as to the consequences of professing certain peculiar tenets, as all other Protestant Dissenters had been placed by the Act of Toleration. Now it had been clearly stated by Lord Mausfield, that unconformity, simply and as such, was no offence at common law. Why then it was very desirable that these

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parties should feel assured that the com- Conduct of Dissenters with regard mmon law would not visit them as if their unconformity was an offence. The act of the 53rd Geo. III. c. 160, which recited the act 19th Geo. III., exempted Protestant Dissenters from all penalties to which they were previously liable at law for non-subscription to certain doctrinal articles and oaths. So that he inferred that nothing could be clearer than this fact that it was only the denial of Christianity in general, or blasphemy, which was an offence made penal at common law, and not mere nonconformity to particular points of doctrine. By introducing the 53rd Geo. III., he (Mr. Smith) had flattered himself at one time that he had done some service by amending and explaining the law in the respects he had mentioned. The penalties denounced against the profession of these tenets by the common law were of the most severe and heavy kind,-fine and imprisonment, at the pleasure of the judge, who was authorized, therefore, if he should see fit, to take from a man the half of his fortune and years of his liberty for dissenting from the received doctrine of the Established Church. With the knowledge of facts like these, how was it possible, let him be allowed to ask, that he (Mr. Smith) should have made any such agree. ment as that imputed to him? (Hear, hear.) Really a statement of so serious and so mischievous a nature ought not to have been lightly made in the quarter to which he was alluding. The Honourable Gentleman, adverting to the other bill he had brought in for the relief of Unitarians from the obligation of going through certain forms prescribed by the marriage ritual, observed, that after it had received, with one exception only, the sanction and support of all the most efficient and responsible of his Majesty's ministers, it was thrown out in the other House. The petition he had now the honour to present, entered so fully into the object of the petitioners, that he could not do better than refer the House to the object of their prayer, premising only, that if the House should feel hereafter disposed to accede to its prayer, the denial of Christianity as such, and blasphemy, would of course remain, as they at present were, offences at common law.

Mr. ROBERTSON expressed himself de cidedly adverse to the prayer of the petitioners, and cautioned the House to be aware how they encouraged too much the prevailing spirit of innovation. The petition was then brought up and read, and ordered to be printed.

MR. BROUGHAM presented a petition from Great and Little Bolton, in favour of the Catholic Claims. This Petition had attached to it more than 9000 signatures, and the petitioners, without reference to the peculiar merits of the Roman Catholic question, went to point out the injustice, as well as the impolicy, of subjecting any set of men to disabilities upon the ground of their religious faith, and prayed the abolition of all tests. He was glad to find that the petitioners adopted this mode of reasoning, because their opinions were entirely in unison with his own, and he had frequently so expressed them both in that House and elsewhere. He was glad that they advocated principles of universal tolerance, because he held a man was as little answerable for his religious belief as he was for the physical conformation of his body or the construction of his mind, over nei. ther one or the other of which had he any controul. If this were so, then to bind men down by tests, was nothing more than to make them hypocrites; for who would venture to tell him that to conform to a particular form was to entertain a belief in that form? (Hear, hear!) En tertaining such a feeling, he had listened with much of pain and sorrow, and bitter disappointment, to the few observations which had been made within a few minutes, and but a few minutes only had they occupied. It was not to be wondered at that persons out of doors entertaining, and, perhaps, conscientiously entertaining, the hostile opinions expressed towards the emancipation of the Roman Catholics, should confide their petitions to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Home Department, and the Honourable Member for Somersetshire, (Sir T. Lethbridge,) as men who entertained a similarity of feeling with themselves upon that question. It was right that the petitions should be so entrusted; but he saw with sorrow, not unmixed with a portion of shame, the quarters from which those petitious came. That petitions such as those presented from the county of Kent should darken their doors was not to be wondered at. It was no matter of surprise to him to find that the dean aud chapter of one district, or the rector and clergy of another, or the clergy and select vestry of a third, should aid and abet in getting up such petitions; all this was in the natural order of things, and could surprise no man, at least no man who knew the church. But that a

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