Imatges de pÓgina

Mr. Adam.

attached to that conftitution, as had lived in any period of the existence of this country. Mr. Fitzpatrick declared, that he was absent, as well as his honourable friend, when the re. folutions, then the topic of conversation, were proposed, and carried ; having therefore no hand in drawing them up, it was impossible for him to say what or whom, the particular gentlemen who penned them, had in their view at the time; he was sure, however, from the known honour of the com- i mittee, that their intention was a good and a warrantable one, he therefore thought it right to lay, that the resolutions had his hearty content.

Mr. Adam faid, in answer, that if either the honourable gentleman who ipoke last, or any other person approved of, and assented to the words in question, as personally applied to him, that he meant to apply to him and them, every epithet

he had mentioned. Mr. Fitz- Mr. Fitzpatrick then said, that if the honourable gentleman patrick. chose to apply any part of the words used in the resolution of

the Weftm níter committee to himself, he could not poffibly help it. He must still approve of those resolutions, but he had not applied then to the honourable gentleman, neither had he said, they contained any thing inmediately applicable to him, or which the honourable gentleman was entitled to apply to himself. They certainly had his consent, nor did he feel hintelf at all obliged to give his reasons why he consented

to them, Sir James Sir James Lowther rose and said, that the conversation had Lowther. been a moft extraordinary one, and that he did not understand the tiine of the House being taken up

in that manner. The honourable gentleman (Mr. Adam] had, once before, risen .and taken up words of a general import in a wrong sente; and supposing they applied to him personally, had expressed himself in a warm and angry manner, con ry to the rules of the House.

This altercation was put an end to by the order of the day's being loudly called for.

As soon as the order of the day was read, the House refolved itself into a committee of supply, and Mr. Ord took his feat at the table,

Lord Lisburne then rose, and stated to the committee, from official papers, which he held in his hand, what had been the number of seainen voted last year, the increase of men employed in actual service, and what would be necessary for the service of the next year. His Lordship concluded his speech

Lord Lifburne.

B A I E s. with moving, “ that it is the opinion of this committee, that 91,000 seamen, including 20,317 marines, be the number of seamen voted for the service of the year 1781."

Sir Charles Bunbury was glad to hear so many feamen moved Sir Charles for ; he thought the navy the natural defence of this country,

Bunbury. ! and reminded the House, that last war we had 18,000 Ame

rican failors aboard our fleet, a number fufficient to man 36 fail of the line; this advantage our enemies now had over, usone

it behoved government therefore to be as vigorous in their ex· ertions, and as attentive to economy in their mode of manning, as well as of equipping and fitting out ships, as possible.

Admiral Keppel was also glad to hear 91,000 reamen were Admiral moved for; he wished the number had been ftill larger; the Keppel. Admiral spoke of the mode of manning ships, saying that one third was usually ordinary landmen, one third marines, and one third seamen. The latter proportion was as few seamen as could possibly navigate the ships, it must not therefore be leffened on any account. The Admiral repeated his advice

. to ministers to be more early in their operations, and not to lose their opportunities, as they hitherto had done very frequently. He also declared he was glad to hear we had now go fail of the line in service, but begged to know whether we should have so many, four months hence ? Declaring that his reason for putting this question was, because it was a wellknown fact, that several of the ships now in the West-Indies, were so much worn by the service, that it was a question whether the Admiral'would trust them home in the winter.

Lord Lisburne faid, undoubtedly when the ships in the Lord LifWest Indies came home, several would need repair, but then burne.

we had other new ships in great forwardness, which would be | ready for service in the course of the next year, and that France and Spain were under the same sort of difficulty.

General Smith arraigned the American war in terms of great Gen Soritl. energy.

Mr. Fox said he should give his vote for the resolution, but Mr. Fex. he could not do it, without previously pledging himself, after the holidays, to move for the dismission of the Earl of Sandwich, and afterwards for bringing that noble Lord to condign punishment, and that he should found these motions on two different reasons ;-- the first, because the Earl of Sandwich had advised his Majesty to promote Sir Hugh Palliser to the government of Greenwich Hospital,--the second, for the shameful neglect of the navy during the adminiftration of the present first lord of the admiralty.


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Mr. Rigby.

Mr. Rigby said, that he should agree to the present motion, not because he conceived the committee pledged to accede to an accusation, urged without proof, against either the Earl of Sandwich or Sir Hugh Palliser, but because he considered strengthening the hands of government as much as possible at this critical moment, a most important and

neces. sary duty, let government be lodged in what hands it might. He desired not to be considered as undertaking the defence of Sir Hugh Palliser, declaring that he was, from his being unacquainted with the relative facts, as little qualified for that task, as he was desirous of acting the more foolish, more ; absurd, and more wicked part of standing forward the accuser of Lord Sandwich, without being able to make out any charge against him ; a situation in which the late House of Commons had seen one of its members placed, and a fituation in which, the honourable gentleman, who fpoke laft,

possibly might be placed after the holidays. Mr. Town

Mr. T. Y ownshend supported Mr. Fox. fhend. Mr. Courts Mr. Courtnaye recommended vigour and spirit to administra

tion, and unanimity and chearfulness to the House. He defended the going on with the American war on the plea of its neceffity, taid he could view America in no other light than as the ally of France. Speaking of Lord North's fituation, be

. said his fecurity in office was owing to the bad opinion the publick entertained of those who wished to get into his place, and that the speech of Charles the Second to his brother James, Duke of York, was perfectly applicable to him. When the Duke of York had told the king," he wondered a prince who had rendered himlelf to unpopular, would venture abroad without his body guard.” The king replied, “ Have no fears for iny fafety, brother, I am perfectly secure in my perfon, as long as my people know, that if I die or am cut off, you must be my fucceffor.”

Lord Mabon Gaid, the American war could not be deemed a war of neceflity; and this position his Lordship argued upon this principle, -- that as no rational or feasible proposition for conciliation had been held out to America, it was not fair to say the war was carried on of necessity. His Lordship in a most animated ftile, arraigned and reprobated the propofitions made by the committions, ttrming them fcandalous, and difgraceful to the last degree.

1 Mr. Pulteney declared the noble Lord was mistaken in what Mr. Pulte

he had afferted, of the commislioners having offered to pay ney. the debts of America,


Lord Mabon

Lord Mahon replied, and read extracts from the public acts LordMabon. of the commisfioners in support of what he had before said.

Mr. Fox argued on the fame ground, stating, in compari- Mr. Fox. són to the interpretation put upon the commissioners offering to affift in arranging the debts of Ainerica, by Mr. Pulteney, that if any rich man came to him and offered to settle his debts, he should naturally imagine he meant him a real favour, and designed to lift the load off his shoulders by paying them, but that if it afterwards appeared, that he only ineant to give him his advice, how he should pay his debts out of his own fortune, he should feel himself miserably disappointed.

The question was then put and carried, nem. con, without á division,

After that, a second resolution for voting 41. per man per month, for the seamen and marines already voted, was put and agreed to.

November 14. No debate.

November 15. A conversation took place relative to the day on which a petition concerning the election at Oakhampton should be heard, in confequence of Sir Philip Jennings Clerke having desired that the petition might be heard in its turn.

Mr. Rigby said, he did not understand the expression, and Mr. Rigby. in a plain manner contended, that in confequence of 'Mr. Grenville's act, which was so much the favourite of the House, more frivolous petitions, presented without any wish to be heard, and merely with a view that the petitioners might obtain privilege of parliament for the interval of time that elapsed between

the delivery of the petition and its being deterinined upon, were brought to that House than had been usually brought when the election petitions were heard in the old parliamentary way. Mr. Rigby faid, it was neither proper, nor was it his design, to say a syllable as to the particular petition to which the honourable gentleman who spoke laft referred. If he chose to speak of it, perhaps he knew as much of the merits of the Oakhampton election as any gentleman present; but he was aware, that was not the time for going into them, and he declared now, as he before declared in that House, that unless the House compelled him to it, he never would be a member of an election committee; without adverting therefore in the least to the merits of the petition, the hearing of which was then the subject of altercation, he defired and hoped that the House in general would




follow the good old custom of making example of those who should hereafter appear to have frivolously petitioned, and who without any serious reaion to justify their conduct, took up the time of the House in investigating allegations, which could not be supported. After a few words from Mr. Dunning, Mr. Townshend, &c. the day of hearing the petition was altered.

The House afterwards resolved itself into a committee of

supply. Lord Weft

Lord Westcote moved, that the land tax for the year 1781 be 4s. in the pound, with the usual difference for Scotland.

His Lordship also moved, that the duties on malt, mum,
cyder, and perry, be continued the next year at the rate at
which they now stood.
Both these resolutions were agreed to.

November 16.
Mr.Mincbin Mr. Minchin said, the orders given to the military, at the

time of the late riots, to act without waiting for the civil
magistrate, had occafioned great discontent without doors.
The order might perhaps be justified from neceffity, or from
the negligence of the magiftrates; for they had been shame-
fully inactive; but indeed the detachments of troops had been
so numerous, and so dispersed through London and West-
minster, that, had the magistrates been ever so ready to do
their duty, there was not a sufficient number of thein to
head all the detached parties. To remedy this defect, and
to put it out of the power of a military man, as such, to have
the lives of his fellow subjects at his command any more, as
he himself had had at the late riots, he wished that a new
commission of the peace for the whole kingdom should take
place, and that the names of almost all the respectable gentle-
men in each county should be inserted in it. This, he said,
would furnish us with a fufficient number of magiftrates to
head the military, if we should be ever obliged to resort to
them again : but as he did not expect that all these gentle-
men would qualify themlelves to act in general as justices of
the peace, though he did not doubt but they would very
readily do so in cases of emergency, he moved, “ That leave
“ be given to bring in a bill to enable all persons named
“ in any commiffion of the peace, to act as justices in the

suppression of riots and tumults, notwithstanding they

“ have not taken out their dedimus poisfatem.Sir George

Sir George Yonge feconded the motion; but expected that longe. the honourable gentieman would take care to provide in his


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